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Old 10-29-2007, 05:11 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #101
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Forest Green v Cambridge - Arrowhead formation - PKM

Well I tried playing defensively..at the start we played an attacking style with the link players on attacking mentality...once we went a goal ahead I decided to drop my dline, reduce width, quicken tempo and reduced mentality..turned on ca.

We managed to score another goal, but conceded goals and the midfield, I had to return to a normal width, normal tempo, ca was still on, but the players were turned to normal mentality.

Sometimes with a defensive mentality, you actuallly sit back too much..and this happened, it can reduce your potency...good thing we won 3-2 in the end.
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Old 10-29-2007, 05:20 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #102
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Originally posted by rashidi1:
Are you playing a diamond looks like it.
Yes, diamond 4-1-2-1-2.

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Your fullbacks and your wingers have been set to hold their positions and are playing very defensively, yet you have also given the wingers forward runs often, but their mentality is set to defensive?
As said before, I adjust their mantality when I would like to have more players up the pitch or get them back to defence. It works like a kind of switch

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Another thing that concerns me is that there seems to be a big gap between the group of 5 in defense and the attacking 3. And, this leads me to assume that you often have problems with link plays, ie buildin up plays.
Truly, there is no gap. Maybe two strikers are to often at the front, but defenders, wingers, DM and AM are quite near each other. Wide formations makes the wingers sometimes are to wide, but they like to get to center.

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If you want the mids to be more involved in play then you can set them all on normal mentality and they will do that too.
At the moment DM and AM are so close each other that they interfere when defending. Them DM mentality is low and AM mentality is high. Also AM has FWR often, DM mixed.

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Having them on defensive reduces your potency. Set one group on team mentality and play them on the last notch of normal...this group should include the wingers, and the AMC and one striker.
I'll check this idea.

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If your closing down for your fullbacks is high, you will have problems. Set them to ownhalf and the dcs on own are
Maybe it is strange but I've had a lot of problems from opp. wingers when my FB's on low mentality. My CB's are on low ment. (5) and doing decent job. They like close opp. player and leaving another alone in the box. But this is not so often.

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When you set your dline so deep and you set your players on a defensive mentality, you are literally telling them to drop back deep and literally start defending near their penalty area and this can be a real problem, since you are inviting tonnes of pressure. You are allowing FAR too many chances..
Yes, I know it. But the other hand, when DLine is set to more than normal I get plenty of long crosses behind my line. My defenders are decent ones and they have no enough pace to chase tha ball and striker back. But I'll look at this

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take a look at your action zones, that's one graphic you need to understand, try and win some possession in midfield and dont' give up too much space there
In last game I mentioned (lost 0-2) I've possesed ball slightly often in midfield than opp. team. They managed to create goals and many chances but I didn't.
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Old 10-29-2007, 05:22 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #103
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Good Stuff Man!!!!!
Cant wait for your next post in ffm!!!
About the intructions for each position!!
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:20 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #104
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Regarding Closing Down (My "confused" Understanding):

Own Area: Close Down when Opposition Player has ball around the edge of my 18 yard box.

Own Half: Close Down when Opposition Player has the ball in my half.

All Over: Close Down an the Opposition Player with the ball if you are close to them no matter where you are on the pitch.

Are these assumptions similar to yours Rash or am I totally off the mark?

Also regarding your DemonsEye tactic you had your DMC on Full All over Closing Down; Why was this, wouldn't Own Half suffice?

Cheers for any feedback.
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:47 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #105
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Yes that's how i look at it.
Of course whether a player closes down on not depends on his other attributes like bravery, aggression and teamwork.

The DM was set on high closing down.. I usually set up DMs like that so that they work higher up the pitch and reduce the dangers giving the defenders less work and allowing sometimes the fullbacks to make more dangerous plays
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:54 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #106
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Our fixture list is very congested...next up
Forest Green again in the FA Trophy SF which we won 4-2.

The goals were now flying in as the boys seemed up for it. I didn't make many chances to the tactic except for reducing tempo and using the pace of my wingers..Our next trip was to Oxford for the Setanta Semi-final. This was a match we weren't expected to win, which I took as a personal insult.

Prematch I made no comments whatsoever,and despite the fact that we had put some big wins together the boys were obviously nervous with quite a few players on good or ok. My pep talk was to encourage as many individually as possible.

We kept the same formation and were completely devastating in front of goal. This was one match where the goal spread was: strikers, amc, winger and a defender off a corner. I really hope the new patch doesn't change things too much...and vril thanks for making me go make a tactic explicitly for quick attacks.

Oxford v Cambridge PKM
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:45 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #107
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Glad to hear

I've implemented your advices and there were two good matches, without loosing a goal against strong opponents, but next two games I've been devasteted.

There is a pic of stats one of these matches:

http://img9.imagepile.net/img9/31826ofistats.jpg

and pic of action zones:

http://img9.imagepile.net/img9/96274ofidefeat.jpg

As you can see I possesed the ball, but my players couldn't make too many chances. They started to play when ref. showed red card for opp. player. One shot on target !

I will be very appreciated if you find a while to watch pkm file I'm able to upload later, if you whis.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:02 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #108
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I see an awful lot of possession in midfield. For all that it seems its still even stevens elsewhere, which suggests to me that your team doesn't move as one whole unit up and down.

Its painfully obvious that your tactic has one flaw it doesn't create a lot of chances but it does offer the other team a fair share. Can you stick up your pkm and I'll have a look.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:39 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #109
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Something is broken again

The other one:

http://www.snapdrive.net/qs/c451f2e0f73b
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:00 PM   Fundamental Football Manager - The Cambridge Story LLM includes Tactics Post #110
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Had a quick look at your tactic :-

1. Defensive line may be too deep, I see players only willing to challenge when the ball is already in a dangerous area..you may need to raise dline to around 10.

2. The DM needs to have a normal mentality around 8. And he should be given more higher closing down

3. Wingers reduce closing down to own area..they are hopelessly chasing players right now.

Your strikers are definitely too isolated. The DM and AM have no linkage. I would drop the AM mentality to normal and the DM should be low normal or middle of normal.


And another thing, you're giving away so many yellow cards? Why did you not reduce tackling to easy? That red card was unforgivable...with so many players on yellow you should have reacted. Your possession is not useful, in that, you need your team to build play. It's fine if you have some great holdup man who can create...for now that's what it looks like to me.
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