Agruso

I know it sounds good but I honestly think that i created this solid tactic out of pure fluke I have been trying to create an attacking tactic after getting some great results.

But I just cant do it everytime i get run down and draw or lose it must have been just pure fluke with my first tactic and the logic just isnt working when i want to go attacking. </BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry for the double post but ignore the one above.

I played slow and wide and just trounced a team 3-1 considering i only changed settings at half time it was good to watch.

Thanks again Rash using this approach i have gotten relegation candidates to top of the league and i hope to get promoted.

retired_kellyk

You need to look at the basics again. Its very easy to think a tactic is "the one"....sometimes you need to remember its the whole approach.

Tactics are one part of the story, the other parts involve training and motivation. We haven't really been doing fantastically well, but team talks are still important to get right. And saying the wrong thing at halftime can send the wrong message.

retired_sgambino

Rash. I tried to play defensively against Aris Salonika away as you said in this thread and just look on the stats:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4915/arisne2.jpg

I dont get it. I have read FAQ many times and almost your every post. I'm trying to play and understand this game, but I see nothing works as should.

I've once smashed the better side of Xanthi (5-0) and I though that I'm on good way to grab the idea. But I was disappointed with next game against really worse teams.

I don't need an instant succes. I just only want to know the things I'm doing with my tactics have piece of sense. Every next game disrupts this thinking, because I don't see any constant effect of settings.

I hope you understand and sorry for bad (?) english

retired_kellyk

Are you using the patched version?

retired_sgambino

Yes I am. But there is some sunshine maybe Last game vs Panathinaikos won 4-2 (was 0-2).

I changed team mentality to defensive, quick tempo, wide and direct passing and counter of course. My CD's have long passing. At the moment things looks better despite 0-0 draw against mediocre Larisa.

retired_cgott010

Ive been using this tactic set with my Gillingham side in League 1.

Attacking wise its absolutely beautiful and the triangular passing between the DM's and the AM is great to watch. We are dominating possession and create a bucket load of chances with my loanee Fraizer Campbell scoring freely, however, my defense is very leaky, often conceding 3-5 goals per game. Usually we score around the same amount which is great but this leaky defence means my side is languishing in mid table mediocricy despite playing teams off the park.

Any advice you could give to try combat goals against problem?

retired_kellyk

I have no idea what your team is like...but why don't you give a bit more information on what your tactic is like, the instructions you've given will also help me and anyone else who has input to give. The information you give the easier it will be. Some of your instructions don't make sense to me...

You say you're playing defensive and quick tempo? I can see people using this instruction, but I've always disliked it. The logic I can understand, sit back and hit on the counter quickly. Fine. This also means you give up possession...you should commonly see possession falling in the range of 40-50.

I can understand what you've done, essentially building a counterattacking formation that utilizes its wings. It can work, it can also work in concert with another tactic, one that is essentially an attacking formation, played to quick tempo and a narrow width. Built on quick passing through the centre...and then once you get the goal, you fall back on the one you've created.

You still need to learn how to build a possession based tactic which keeps the ball away from the AI.

Finally you need to learn how to handle the AI Manager. That means understanding the kind of manager you're playing against. Mindgames are a useful tool, sometimes I use them to undermine another manager especially one who might have good motivational and tactical knowledge.

This game is all encompassing, to be very good at this game you need to be good at teamtalks, tactics and training. Unfortunately its no longer a plug and play like CM games of old, but it is still possible. Once you understand the principles you'll be flying through the game and changing tactics for fun

retired_sgambino

Stats from Panathinaikos game.

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/7400/panathinph2.jpg

Overlook of team settings and ind. mentality:

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/4...tosteamwo7.jpg

Closing down is high except of CD's. FWR to M R/L often, TTB often for AM C only. As you can see I have left mentality unticked for wing players. I think in this way I can adjust the behaviour of FB's and wingers if I would like to see them attacking or more involved in defending. DLine more than deep, but less than 1/2 slider.

About possesion - I can't find way to stop opp. team shooting. In every game they have many situations. Sometimes they are just unlucky and I get draw. But there wasn't yet situation that opp. team creates few good situations, like my team vs. Aris.

Trying still to find any constans in settings without result so far. The next one home game I've lost 0-2 vs. bottom team, and my players weren't playing same style as before, easily getting away the ball, so as possesion.

retired_kellyk

Are you playing a diamond looks like it.

Your mentality settings gives me this impression:

Your fullbacks and your wingers have been set to hold their positions and are playing very defensively, yet you have also given the wingers forward runs often, but their mentality is set to defensive?

Another thing that concerns me is that there seems to be a big gap between the group of 5 in defense and the attacking 3. And, this leads me to assume that you often have problems with link plays, ie buildin up plays.

If you want the mids to be more involved in play then you can set them all on normal mentality and they will do that too. Having them on defensive reduces your potency. Set one group on team mentality and play them on the last notch of normal...this group should include the wingers, and the AMC and one striker.

If your closing down for your fullbacks is high, you will have problems. Set them to ownhalf and the dcs on own are

When you set your dline so deep and you set your players on a defensive mentality, you are literally telling them to drop back deep and literally start defending near their penalty area and this can be a real problem, since you are inviting tonnes of pressure. You are allowing FAR too many chances..

take a look at your action zones, that's one graphic you need to understand, try and win some possession in midfield and dont' give up too much space there

retired_kellyk

Very much in the spirit of helping vril come up with a defensive counter attacking tactic, I decided to ask Cambridge to play an Arrowhead formation..which is a 4231..with 2 MCs who are defensively orientated.

The goal was very simple:

Setting up the defensive group;

Set up mentality to be defensive for DCs and normal(last notch) for fullbacks. Then for the 2 MCs its normal last notch. What this does is set their emphasis which is to to drop back and defend as much as possible and to take part in attacks when its favorable to.

Creative freedom is low for everyone slightly higher for one of the MCs. Passing style is short for them all and mixed for the MCs

Setting up the offensive group
Direct passing for everyone..this group if set to direct passing, will get them up to the attacking players as quickly as possible

Closing down for defensive players is low..for the MCs its high own half and the same applies to the attacking group. I want them to close down slightly further away from the defensive line..this may need to be adjusted later if the wingers dont' drop back nearly enough.

Forward runs pretty simple for everyone...there's very little need to have often on most players except for the wingers and fullbacks

TTB can be a waste of good possession, so only link players get this...the fullbacks, the MCs. Again if I find the MCs losing possession easily which is a potential danger then they do not get it..but they are key link players..so we'll see how.

Cross ball..hmm fullbacks on max..the wingers on mixed for obvious reasons.
No hold up ball no tight marking, only manmarking for the dcs


Team Settings
Mentality is attacking at the start for the attacking group
Defensive line is norma'
Tempo is normal
Width is wide

Once a goal is scored I will drop mentality to normal, reduce width to normal and up tempo to quick and turn on counterattacks.

I'll post the pkm once the match is over.