Patch 8.0.1. Shots to Goal Ratio not fixed - SHOCKING!! SI Please answer - believe to be related to Closing down and Long shots bug

retired_Miss Yummy · 11-23-2007, 01:22 AM

I'm in way agreeing with the OP, but it might help if SI made available a tactic which would prove once and for all that tactical tweaks prevent this problem.

retired_Miss Yummy · 11-23-2007, 01:25 AM

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English Premier Division
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Games played 380
Goals per match 2.39
Shots per match 23.32
Shots on target per match 12.31 (53%)

I'd be interested to see these stats broken down by player position.

retired_justina · 11-23-2007, 01:27 AM

Edit: sorry I had one player who scored from basically every chance he had but that was FM05 one of the most ludicrous games I've ever played(I loved it at the time but Jesus if I had to play that again I'd kill myself because it took surrealism to new limits, Exhibit A being said player single handedly taking apart every team in the world, Exhibit B being Liverpool winning the premiership for 17 season in a row until I won it and they promptly got relegated the next season).

retired_JDxx76 · 11-23-2007, 02:05 AM

Agrees with Fred.

Almost every game I have like 3-4 times more shots than my opponent, and I aint winning, thats for sure..

Seem to have this problem only when im playing attacking football with quick tempo..

Anyone else who can confirm the same?

Feltus

retired_neasp · 11-23-2007, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by Ackter:
Fred, creating 30 chances doesn't really mean that much as it's the quality of those chances that count.

I know but I have 3 or 4 sitters. I mean I create 20 chances per game on average. Lets say half of those were wasted long shots.

I still have 10 decent shots on goal. 3 or 4 of them are one on ones, 6 yards shots that players like Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez should score from.

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Originally posted by PaulC:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Basically this closing down and long shot bug is what is causing everyone to have 20 shots on goal but only resulting in 1 or 2 goals scored

I dont really understand how you come to that conclusion. Firstly the closing down bug is fixed, and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008.

I cant comment further on your examples without viewing the actual matches.

However stats from a one season PL test I ran before it was released using patch code showed the following:

English Premier Division
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Games played 380
Goals per match 2.39
Shots per match 23.32
Shots on target per match 12.31 (53%)

Cheers,
Paul </BLOCKQUOTE>

Well from what I can see, the reason for a high number of shots is from players shooting from distance and players not closing them down. They just shoot from situations where they can either pass to someone who free on the wing or making runs forward. Shooting aimlessly outside of the box trying to score.

If you take a look at these games I posted you will see that I have my MCa on long shots set to rarely. Yet he takes 6-8 shots from outside of the box. Ive followed suggestion of toning down the creative freedom which I have to the point where its 2 notche before normal and it still happens. http://community.sigames.com/eve/for...1/m/4982071363

I will upload games for you give for to anlayse. You should get them tomorrow morning.

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Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Hairy Coo:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Get better players making the shots or change your tactics

Now thats advice which covers all bases </BLOCKQUOTE>

In this case the second part is almmost certainly correct.
Sure the creative part of his team is working well, but there's obviously a problem in the final third.

I'm going to guess that he's being too attacking, and too up-tempo. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said before my fowards are these Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez at the peak of their career age 24,25,26,27. I can't get any better players then those really.

I dont think I play a high tempo game or if there are anything wrong with my tactics.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4...aaaaaaasv3.jpg

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Originally posted by Ackter:
Fred, none of the threads you've linked to have any sort of statistical data backing up what they're saying. It's basically just rants based on losing matches.

If you can provide proper objective stats to back up your claims then please do so.

My god I have stats up inthe first post that says 30 shots, 20 on target 1 goal scored.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8...westhambn2.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1...qweqeqeqy8.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8...aaaaaaaqt2.jpg

There like 10 examples there and one the first post I posted 4 treads about people with the same problem.

Heres another
http://community.sigames.com/eve/for...1/m/4072091363

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Originally posted by Sweed:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:

The game somehow stops me from scoring easy goals and preventing me winning matches I should have won.

Wow, just wow. That's got to be the post of the year, too funny. If you are not winning it is something YOU are doing, it's not the game going out of it's way to cheat you. When I lose a match I may yell at my monitor or curse my bad luck but then I go back and try to figure out what I could have done better instead of blaming the coding of the game. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I am winning 90% of my games but my players have to create 30 chances to score 1 or 2 goals.

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Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by nojanana:
<BLOCKQUOTE>and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008.

ganjaleaf · 11-23-2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by SlayerX:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by buckfast:
lol. Your name is "Cameron Kwong" what a stupid name

That was below-the-belt. </BLOCKQUOTE>

yes. harsh but fair.

retired_arzu · 11-23-2007, 02:12 AM

OK here's a real world stat for comparison:

Team Man City (season so far)-
Games played 13
Goals 15
shots : on target 75
shots : off target 63

Another random stat (season so far):
Games played 13
Manchester United have had most Shots On Target (49), most Shots Off Target (55), most Shots Per Goal. (26.00) and most Corners (51)

See the 26 shots per goal stat? ;p

M

retired_Curediseases · 11-23-2007, 02:22 AM

""Like I said before my fowards are these Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez at the peak of their career age 24,25,26,27.""

This must mean that you haven't started a new game with that patch because you couldn't have played through 3 seasons THAT quickly?

If you did correct me but if you haven't maybe you need to start a new game for the full effects of the patch to work correctly.

retired_ccase315 · 11-23-2007, 03:06 AM

I am one of the few who complained about the long shot bug after beta patch 1.

After patching, i had lesser long shots even though when i increase my player creativity, i like it the way as it is.

If SI tweaked the shots to goal ratio, wouldn't we get high scoring games more(which some peeps complained about) and maybe some ridiculous scoreline at the end of the day?

Finally, if SI tweaked it, i believe some peeps will complained they have world class attacking players but do not have more shots more than their opponents.

retired_Miss Yummy · 11-23-2007, 03:39 AM

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If SI tweaked the shots to goal ratio, wouldn't we get high scoring games more(which some peeps complained about) and maybe some ridiculous scoreline at the end of the day?

Maybe they could reduce the number of shots. Its the defending that needs to improve not the shot/goal ratio.

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