| » Stats |
Members: 103,916
Threads: 85,025
Posts: 1,031,308
Top Poster: Karky (9,548) | | Welcome to our newest member, DemlisGG | |
If you register for free, you will be able to post threads, vote on polls and lots more. If you have problems with the registration or logging in, please contact the administrator.
 | |
01-22-2007, 03:34 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #21 | | Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 |
Brilliant work man
just one question about swapping positions
i usually play a 433 with the wingers in the highest position and in an ideal situation all my forwards can play in any forward position and in that situation i want them all to rotate. Now for the question: if i set my FL to swap with the FC and the FC to swap with the FR and the FR to swap with the AMC and the AMC to swap with the FL... still following?? will this work??
i tested it and sometimes it does or it seems to but most of the time it doesnt
thx in advance
|
| |
01-22-2007, 03:35 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #22 | | Newb
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 | Quote:
Originally posted by Millie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by wwfan: @ Millie: In 06 I always stayed away from extreme settings and it took me a long time to try them out in 07. My early experimentation with the home system was so good that I didn't really need to adjust it in any way. I did play with split mentality forwards for a little, but there wasn't much difference in performance. All in all I stand by my league results over four seasons. Having been predicted to come 17, 24, 24, 15, I posted a W60, D28, L4 record over the four completed seasons while playing/testing early variations of the RoO frameworks. Despite my early doubts the results won me over.
However, that is not to say you can't split from my frameworks and design an 'in-between' tactic. There is no reason to stick to my mentalities and a mentality framework running from 12-18, or 10-16, with matching theories should work just as well. It is very interesting to note how sound my defensive record has been at home over the four seasons. I have only conceded 50 goals in 92 home matches, despite the high mentalities. Slightly lower mentalites should reduce this further, and would work well if you have a striker who is guaranteed to bang in the goals. As I mentioned before, the extreme defensive framework is only really effective when you are outclassed man-for-man, so the extreme settings in that framework can be dangerous. However, I have no issues about the settings of the home framework. They are mathematical as you pointed out, but in keeping with my aim of offering up 'across the board' frameworks for tactical development, they have to be. That is not to say people shouldn't experiemnt with having one FC at 14 in the high mentality framework, or one at 15 on the away framework, even if it is just to see what happens.
Hope that helps.
| Excellent. I can totally see where you're coming from, and obviously I wansn't trying to suggest that these things should be set in stone. It's just, like I say, I do have quite an aversion to extremes on the sliders, simply because that's not really my way of doing anything. However, if I come unstuck, I at least have a few alternatives to try and experiment with.
Another question.
You talk at length at how you set up individual instructions and your team instructions apart from one crucial point - team mentality.
Now, when I first started using RoT and later RoO (or, like I say, somewhere in between) I always left the t. ment. slider slap bang in the middle. Do you do the same? I ask because since discovering that t. ment. overides (sorry, compliments) i. ment. in terms of the overall feel of the side, I've not really felt the need to overly change my individual mentalities once I've got the spacing right.
Do you use the team mentality slider, or are you more happy solely using individual instructions to attack and/or defend? </BLOCKQUOTE>
I ignore team mentality as everybody is on individual mentalities, so it is slap bang in the middle. I'm still not convinced about the complimenting theory. As far as I can see, individual overrides team.
|
| |
01-22-2007, 03:36 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #23 | | Newb
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 | Quote:
Originally posted by horseman_Plague:
Brilliant work man
just one question about swapping positions
i usually play a 433 with the wingers in the highest position and in an ideal situation all my forwards can play in any forward position and in that situation i want them all to rotate. Now for the question: if i set my FL to swap with the FC and the FC to swap with the FR and the FR to swap with the AMC and the AMC to swap with the FL... still following?? will this work??
i tested it and sometimes it does or it seems to but most of the time it doesnt
thx in advance
| No idea, but it is an interesting method.
|
| |
01-22-2007, 03:37 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #24 | | Registered User
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 |
One more thing.
Your team passing equals the MC passing with the defs +2/+5 and atts -2/-5.
Would you say that in a home tactic it would be +2 and -2 as your team is higher up the pitch?
And in the away tactics it could be:
away +5/-5
attacking away +4/-4
hypo away +3/-3
tnx
|
| |
01-22-2007, 03:37 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #25 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 | Quote:
Originally posted by wwfan:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Millie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by wwfan: @ Millie: In 06 I always stayed away from extreme settings and it took me a long time to try them out in 07. My early experimentation with the home system was so good that I didn't really need to adjust it in any way. I did play with split mentality forwards for a little, but there wasn't much difference in performance. All in all I stand by my league results over four seasons. Having been predicted to come 17, 24, 24, 15, I posted a W60, D28, L4 record over the four completed seasons while playing/testing early variations of the RoO frameworks. Despite my early doubts the results won me over.
However, that is not to say you can't split from my frameworks and design an 'in-between' tactic. There is no reason to stick to my mentalities and a mentality framework running from 12-18, or 10-16, with matching theories should work just as well. It is very interesting to note how sound my defensive record has been at home over the four seasons. I have only conceded 50 goals in 92 home matches, despite the high mentalities. Slightly lower mentalites should reduce this further, and would work well if you have a striker who is guaranteed to bang in the goals. As I mentioned before, the extreme defensive framework is only really effective when you are outclassed man-for-man, so the extreme settings in that framework can be dangerous. However, I have no issues about the settings of the home framework. They are mathematical as you pointed out, but in keeping with my aim of offering up 'across the board' frameworks for tactical development, they have to be. That is not to say people shouldn't experiemnt with having one FC at 14 in the high mentality framework, or one at 15 on the away framework, even if it is just to see what happens.
Hope that helps.
| Excellent. I can totally see where you're coming from, and obviously I wansn't trying to suggest that these things should be set in stone. It's just, like I say, I do have quite an aversion to extremes on the sliders, simply because that's not really my way of doing anything. However, if I come unstuck, I at least have a few alternatives to try and experiment with.
Another question.
You talk at length at how you set up individual instructions and your team instructions apart from one crucial point - team mentality.
Now, when I first started using RoT and later RoO (or, like I say, somewhere in between) I always left the t. ment. slider slap bang in the middle. Do you do the same? I ask because since discovering that t. ment. overides (sorry, compliments) i. ment. in terms of the overall feel of the side, I've not really felt the need to overly change my individual mentalities once I've got the spacing right.
Do you use the team mentality slider, or are you more happy solely using individual instructions to attack and/or defend? </BLOCKQUOTE>
I ignore team mentality as everybody is on individual mentalities, so it is slap bang in the middle. I'm still not convinced about the complimenting theory. As far as I can see, individual overrides team. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Individually it does override team slightly, however they still work in tandom and both the options do 2 different things if you read the manual. Team one instructs the players how to play, the individual one is a positional and agression tool.
|
| |
01-22-2007, 03:40 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #26 | | Newb
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 | Quote:
Originally posted by pukkekind:
One more thing.
Your team passing equals the MC passing with the defs +2/+5 and atts -2/-5.
Would you say that in a home tactic it would be +2 and -2 as your team is higher up the pitch?
And in the away tactics it could be:
away +5/-5
attacking away +4/-4
hypo away +3/-3
tnx
| It seems a good enough theory. If you could test it and post back with some conclusions I would be more than grateful.
|
| |
01-22-2007, 04:16 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #27 | | Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 |
wean, I seem to have trouble bossing possession of a game and also pass percentage. This is happening even though I am winning games, but I am finding I have trouble with possession even against lesser teams.
Do you find your teams boss possession? If so can you advise how I can adjust me tactics?
At the moment I have a short passing game with a slow tempo (playing with Leeds). Width is to clicks passed middle if that helps.
|
| |
01-22-2007, 04:20 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #28 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 |
I'll give you guys something to think about. For me the answer to this is the match engine, playing anything behind the oppostion defenders.
I'll add that Ars had a penalty given. Sorry if this post is untidy.
:cool:
|
| |
01-22-2007, 04:25 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #29 | | Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 |
And the result. Ars has a dubious penalty given. FA went silent.
:cool:
|
| |
01-22-2007, 04:54 PM
|
TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 Post #30 | | Registered User
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 0
Rep Power: 0 |
returning on the passing:
the +2/-2 option gave better stats in posession and passing ratings in any tactic than the +5/-5 , which was to be expected. As the tactical framework does not alter, the relative space between players is approx the same in any tactic, home or away. Passing, or better relative passing, can be the same in any tactic.
Better results could be found in shifting the MC/team passing. My take on it is that MC/team passing is relevant to the tactic. Shorter/Slower at home and slightly faster (mixed/normal) for away with alterations for the amount of defending. This would give (Def/Mid/Att):
Home: mixed/short/short
Hypo: mixed/mixed/short
AttA: mixed/mixed/mixed
Away: direct/mixed/mixed
Not concluded all testing but it seems obvious for my team (and should be altered for better/worse teams).
The home tactic seems to be a killer, the aways are a lot of fun as you (i) change back and forth in tactics on away games. |
| |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Similar threads to TT&F IV: New Strategies and Theories for '07 | | Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post | Cloverfield Movie Thread *Expect all sorts of spoilers and theories inside*
Cloverfield Movie Thread *Expect all sorts of spoilers and theories inside*: So, attached to the Transformers movie was a... | LycanGav | The Pub | 86 | 11-20-2007 03:58 PM | FM 2008: IH2DT Theories
FM 2008: IH2DT Theories: Introduction
I have never quite understood... | i had 2 du this | Tactics & Training Tips | 23 | 11-20-2007 02:00 AM | FM 2008: Lets discuss theories
FM 2008: Lets discuss theories: Hi,
After playing on Fm 2007 and while... | i had 2 du this | Tactics & Training Tips | 5 | 10-20-2007 03:19 PM | Tactics - Theories and Observations
Tactics - Theories and Observations: One quick scan across the tactics forum will no... | neonlights | Tactics & Training Tips | 11 | 04-11-2007 01:36 AM | Bench Strategies
Bench Strategies: Another old article, that a lot of people found... | Cleon | Tactics & Training Tips | 6 | 11-24-2006 01:48 PM |
More threads of wwfan | | Thread | Date | Forum | Replies | Last Post | Imporoved Scouting Module
Imporoved Scouting Module: I'd prefer to have a system in which the scout,...
| 06-12-2008 | Football Manager | 18 | 06-16-2008 12:37 PM | Tactical Theorems and Frameworks 08
Tactical Theorems and Frameworks 08: Introduction
In writing this version of TT&F...
| 02-13-2008 | Tactics & Training Tips | 29 | 02-15-2008 05:35 AM | Tactical Realists and Virtual Fantasists
Tactical Realists and Virtual Fantasists: I summarised the 'Parting Plea to SI' thread in...
| 05-22-2007 | Tactics & Training Tips | 12 | 05-22-2007 07:09 PM | TT&F: Learning to 'read' the AI
TT&F: Learning to 'read' the AI: Introduction
By the end of FM06’s playing...
| 03-19-2007 | Tactics & Training Tips | 32 | 03-28-2007 10:06 PM | Newbie Needs Tactics Help
Newbie Needs Tactics Help: The best thing to do is point you here: ...
| 12-06-2006 | Tactics & Training Tips | 5 | 12-07-2006 08:07 PM |
Other threads in forum Tactics & Training Tips | | Thread | Date | Thread Starter | Replies | Last Post | I need some help as this is just too irritating
I need some help as this is just too irritating: When some of my players receive the ball they...
| 01-08-2008 | Dirty_ACE | 0 | 01-08-2008 06:47 AM | need a tactic fo Swaziland
need a tactic fo Swaziland: as i mentioned i need a good tac for Swaziland or...
| 01-01-2008 | Zigi | 0 | 01-01-2008 08:33 PM | Opposition Instructions?
Opposition Instructions?: Just wondering, how many of you actually use /...
| 11-30-2007 | Daniel Foster | 4 | 11-30-2007 11:48 PM | S-Z-J 4-2-3-1 Tactic
S-Z-J 4-2-3-1 Tactic: This is a tactic that I've used in 3 diffrent...
| 11-13-2007 | Sweet-Zombie-Jesus | 34 | 11-18-2007 09:28 PM | Learn From Player - Mental Traits
Learn From Player - Mental Traits: I have read that a player's mental traits can...
| 06-11-2007 | Leroy1883 | 19 | 06-13-2007 03:06 PM | | » Online Users: 25 | | 0 members and 25 guests | | No Members online | | Most users ever online was 2,128, 07-21-2008 at 08:27 PM. | |