Current Ability and Potential Ability

retired_pitaqueen · 11-15-2007, 04:13 PM

I didn't see it like that, true say.

retired_randitruax · 11-15-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by PandaPark:
Well of course it's not as simple as CA and PA telling you how good a player is in his position. If one number told you how good a player is then FM would be a lot more boring than having to pick the right players based on a whole array of different stats.

Look at Thierry Henry. Is he the best player in the world at Barcelona? No. But he was close to it at Arsenal. Different ways of playing, but all of the stats Thierry Henry has are the same.. but performances are wildly different. The same applies to his performances for France when he was still at Arsenal. He's no worse a finisher or a passer or lost his first touch or pace or anything like that by moving to Spain. Other thing are affecting it that wouldn't have anything to do with PA or CA. So in that respect FM is even more realistic and not flawed at all.

Absolutely correct. People don't seem to realise that ability and performance are two completely different things. Just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean your are going to do it well, there are plenty of other factors involved.

A prime real life example is Gary Neville. It is obvious that he doesn't have the technical ability of some of those brazillian full backs out there yet he is one of the best right backs in the world (has been for a long time, i might add) why is this? it's because of the way he plays and thinks about the game of football, thats what makes hims great.

You may be able to do 100 kickups and 20 step overs while balancing a ball on your nose. That doesn't mean you are going to play better football than the 16stone guy beside you, it just means you COULD. It's up to the manager to ensure that you do. PA and CA never tell the whole story....

Skyhigh8400@yah · 11-15-2007, 06:01 PM

I agree with you entirely in terms of the low/high CA/PA doesnt necessarily equate to a good/bad player-in many cases it seems almost entirely unrelated.

But surely for the Nicky Shorey example what you are describing is the PA/CA system?

ie he is in the championship, playing at championship level, ca=150 pa=165

he moves up to the premiership, he ups the ante, becomes a better player, gets called up for england, ca=165 pa=165

he always had the potential to play for england, but he wouldnt necessarily fulfill that potential until he had premiership experience etc

retired_jaclynnew1212 · 11-15-2007, 08:36 PM

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Fabregas and Ronaldo have a PA of 190 and probably a CA near to that. They're world class and produce the goods.

But what I'm saying is that a player of CA 150 or 160 can outdo a player of CA of 180 or 190. I've seen it many times. Then you ask yourself, whats the point looking at his CA and PA.

For example i had a regen striker with CA of 190 and PA of 190. He didn't do anything for me, I gave him couple of years, tried different things, didn't work. My 170 CA guy was still scoring for fun.

How do you explain that? There are reasons for one players failure and success, the manager, style of play, language, country etc. But the 190 player Danny Weerman was Dutch, been in England since 18, settled and had all the right attributes. Didn't do anything. My 170 man, Tortora had a PA of 170.

So who's the better player? Who would you buy?
In terms of player history, Tortora wins buy a mile. But if you checked their PA and CA, Weerman comes out on top (after I sold him, didn't do much either for Real Madrid)

I'm not saying 190 CA players don't perform, they do, most of the time they're the best players in the world. But if players like Tortora are performing better than most, consistently with a 170 CA, they must inherit an increase in PA.

Well, firstly you're not supposed to go around looking at what the PA and CA of a player is. Alteast thats the way SI wants it. Whats the point if you know exactly what a player's potential is? You wouldnt know that in real life, so why in a game? We have tools to look up these things. But SI didnt come up with them did they?

What they had in mind is that you scout the player you want. Have a look at his current attributes. Look at what the scout has to say about him. Realistically, offer the play a trial at your club and see what your coaches say etc etc. Thats the way to do it. It all depends on what player fits in with your system. Irl for eg, Joaquin is a player whos a "proper" winger. He likes to take his man on, run on the flank and whip the crosses in. If he has to play in a narrow system (AC Milan probably?), he'd be almost useless. Thats what the case is in the game as well. Also, just because a player has a PA of 190 doesnt mean that he'll be the best in the world. Take for eg you have a striker who has a PA of 190. What'll be the point if he has all great stats in every department except finishing, long shots and heading? He'd be a pretty useless striker wouldnt he? The example I gave above of Murphy explains the same point. If your player develops in the right areas, he's got every chance in the world of being better than someone who has more potential than him. Thats why your striker who had a PA of 190 didnt perform as well as one who had a PA of 170.

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