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Old 11-05-2007, 02:18 PM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #11
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Ok - im back again, sorry for the long delay.

Team Instructions - Continued
Another aspect of your tactic that i think may be causing a few problems is your passing style. It can be pretty difficult to breakdown teams through the centre the whole time no matter how good your CM's are. It's probably best to set this to "mixed" so that you have a more varied attack. You also need more width to play such a counter attacking game.
2rdly - Target Man. This option can sometimes be a double-edged sword. If you get it right it can be amazing however if wrong it can completely mess up your team. Supply guidelines:

NOTE: ALL TARGET MEN NEED GREAT TEAMWORK* AND WORKRATE AND STRENGTH STATS, IN ADDITON TO V.GOOD STATS FOR THE FOLLOWING:
To Feet - First Touch, Dribbling, Pace, Technique

To Head - Height! Jumping (more important than heading)

Mixed - All the above (N.B. If you want a consistent goal scorer they need, finishing, composure, decisions and off the ball skills first and foremost, pace and technique will help immensely also)

Defence
Try giving your fullbacks a creative freedom of "normal", theres nno point telling them to make so many forward runs if they have no license to be creative. In any case its not a good idea to have them making so many forward runs anyway. You should keep it as normal at the most "rarely" if you have a big game.
There isn't much wrong with your CB's though i like to set their mentality to ultra defensive, but thats completely up to you of course.

Midfield
You're on the right track with your DMC's instructions, they're very similar to my own instructions, only thing i would suggest is lowering his closing down to "own half only" so that he's not pulled out of position and make his passing very short! You dont want your DMC losing possesion. Also tell him to hold up the ball, it works a treat.
Your 1st MC's instructions are also fine, the only thing i would say is to lower the creative freedom slightly. the 2nd however - woah! its never a good idea to have your CM's making so many forward runs RWB is ok sometimes, if they have excellent dribbling skills but FWR's should be a definite no-no.
Another problem i can see is with your mentality and closing down settings. Why are they completely different for every player? You do know that due to this, if you change your overall team instructions in-game it wont have any effect right? Just letting you know incase you weren't aware.
I think you should tell your wingers to cross from mixed positions as they may not always be able to get to the byline and might lose posession as a result when they could have probably crossed earlier and set up something. setting it to mixed gives your attack more of a variety.
Personal Tip
I usually give my whole midfield the "hold up ball" instruction. I find that it makes me less likely to lose possesion, though i'm not saying it will work for you thoguh, might be worth a try though

STRIKER
I can see a massive problem here straight away. Its always best to leave your strikers instructions to "mixed". Don't restrict him in what you want him to do, he's a striker (your only one at that) he's got to take some sort of risks. If he doesn't who will? Put his mentality as high as it can go, normal creative freedom and untick the other boxes. Also, if he is a target man why is he not attemtping to hold up the ball?

All this said, it still might not be enough. You need to ensure you have the right players in the right positions. Your team instructions should be based on your players attributes tbh. Not saying that they arent.

One final tip i would suggest is not to play such a direct passing game if you can avoid it. You can set some players to direct passing but when you have it as a team setting, you tend to lose possesion more often than not. Hope it helped (i'm probably going to b in a bucket load of trouble with my manager for taking so long to write this. i was suppose to have started on this powershell script ages ago! Good luck!)
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:49 AM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #12
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Originally posted by Gandelf The White:
Ok - im back again, sorry for the long delay.

Team Instructions - Continued
Another aspect of your tactic that i think may be causing a few problems is your passing style. It can be pretty difficult to breakdown teams through the centre the whole time no matter how good your CM's are. It's probably best to set this to "mixed" so that you have a more varied attack. You also need more width to play such a counter attacking game.
2rdly - Target Man. This option can sometimes be a double-edged sword. If you get it right it can be amazing however if wrong it can completely mess up your team. Supply guidelines:

NOTE: ALL TARGET MEN NEED GREAT TEAMWORK* AND WORKRATE AND STRENGTH STATS, IN ADDITON TO V.GOOD STATS FOR THE FOLLOWING:
To Feet - First Touch, Dribbling, Pace, Technique

To Head - Height! Jumping (more important than heading)

Mixed - All the above (N.B. If you want a consistent goal scorer they need, finishing, composure, decisions and off the ball skills first and foremost, pace and technique will help immensely also)

Defence
Try giving your fullbacks a creative freedom of "normal", theres nno point telling them to make so many forward runs if they have no license to be creative. In any case its not a good idea to have them making so many forward runs anyway. You should keep it as normal at the most "rarely" if you have a big game.
There isn't much wrong with your CB's though i like to set their mentality to ultra defensive, but thats completely up to you of course.

Midfield
You're on the right track with your DMC's instructions, they're very similar to my own instructions, only thing i would suggest is lowering his closing down to "own half only" so that he's not pulled out of position and make his passing very short! You dont want your DMC losing possesion. Also tell him to hold up the ball, it works a treat.
Your 1st MC's instructions are also fine, the only thing i would say is to lower the creative freedom slightly. the 2nd however - woah! its never a good idea to have your CM's making so many forward runs RWB is ok sometimes, if they have excellent dribbling skills but FWR's should be a definite no-no.
Another problem i can see is with your mentality and closing down settings. Why are they completely different for every player? You do know that due to this, if you change your overall team instructions in-game it wont have any effect right? Just letting you know incase you weren't aware.
I think you should tell your wingers to cross from mixed positions as they may not always be able to get to the byline and might lose posession as a result when they could have probably crossed earlier and set up something. setting it to mixed gives your attack more of a variety.
Personal Tip
I usually give my whole midfield the "hold up ball" instruction. I find that it makes me less likely to lose possesion, though i'm not saying it will work for you thoguh, might be worth a try though

STRIKER
I can see a massive problem here straight away. Its always best to leave your strikers instructions to "mixed". Don't restrict him in what you want him to do, he's a striker (your only one at that) he's got to take some sort of risks. If he doesn't who will? Put his mentality as high as it can go, normal creative freedom and untick the other boxes. Also, if he is a target man why is he not attemtping to hold up the ball?

All this said, it still might not be enough. You need to ensure you have the right players in the right positions. Your team instructions should be based on your players attributes tbh. Not saying that they arent.

One final tip i would suggest is not to play such a direct passing game if you can avoid it. You can set some players to direct passing but when you have it as a team setting, you tend to lose possesion more often than not. Hope it helped (i'm probably going to b in a bucket load of trouble with my manager for taking so long to write this. i was suppose to have started on this powershell script ages ago! Good luck!)
Ok, I have changed my tactic as you suggested. to answer a few questions you had:

I had all plaer at diffeent settings for mntality and closing down because a) i don't usually change these in game, b) i thought the different positions needed different settings and c) i don't understand tactic settings all that well. I come from an Aussie Rules background and that tactic mindset has been instilled for the last 24 years.

Thanks for the help and I will keep you updated
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:36 AM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #13
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Quick question as a follow on from Gandelf's post: how would you set up as to not use the target man?
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:40 AM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #14
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Also fogot to add, i don't have the target man holdig up the ball as johnson has little strengh. if i play yakubu i will give him hold up ball
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:42 PM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #15
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Also fogot to add, i don't have the target man holdig up the ball as johnson has little strengh. if i play yakubu i will give him hold up ball
Hmm, wel andy Johnson isn't the best target man i guess. I tend to give them the instruction either way if i only have one up front though. I'm not sure how that formation will work with him tbh. If you don't want to use a target man, simply untick the box. lol simple as that. good luck.

P.S. you might want to look at some of my recent posts for in game help because sometimes the tactics alone are just not enough. my response to "i cant find the right balance!" might help. (cant be bothered to type it again)
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:58 PM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #16
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:43 PM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #17
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by nick1408:
Also fogot to add, i don't have the target man holdig up the ball as johnson has little strengh. if i play yakubu i will give him hold up ball
Hmm, wel andy Johnson isn't the best target man i guess. I tend to give them the instruction either way if i only have one up front though. I'm not sure how that formation will work with him tbh. If you don't want to use a target man, simply untick the box. lol simple as that. good luck.

P.S. you might want to look at some of my recent posts for in game help because sometimes the tactics alone are just not enough. my response to "i cant find the right balance!" might help. (cant be bothered to type it again) </BLOCKQUOTE>

Prior to the beta patch Johnson worked well with this tactic. I didnt use TM either as I was winning regulary.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:41 PM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #18
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Oh right. I wasn't saying that it definitely wouldn't work with him. I always maintain that any tactic can work on this game provided you know how to manage it.

Johnson may well have been excellent for you, i just doubt he'd fit in well with my own tactics thats all. Anyway, hope it didn't offend you. Keep me updated on how it goes...
Don't forget to keep an eye on the opposition and change stats accordingly. This is more important than the actual tactics
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:18 PM   I am hving troubles with my 8.00 tactic. It doesn't work in 8.01!!! Post #19
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Didn't offend, just explaining my reason for choosing him
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