Betterspud's FM 08 Tactical Testbed - Submissions welcomed

retired_jtingle · 10-19-2007, 08:40 PM

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if i upload my version of 442 would you try it?

I'll try it next. Should be done tomorrow morning...

retired_jtingle · 10-19-2007, 09:53 PM

Custom 5-3-2 Counter

As I suspected, the changes I made didn't bear fruit...

League Matches
-Pld----W----D----L----F----A----Pts----Pos
--23----3----6---14---17---40---15-----23rd

Cup Games
J.Paint - 2nd Rnd
League Cup - 1st Rnd
FA Cup - Into 3rd Rnd

Obviously the style of play didn't match the players, then. I'm surprised that it made so much difference, but it does show that very little change can have a massive difference. Mt initial feeling is that (knowing the players) the lack of pace in the side would make "counter attack" a bad option, since they would most likely not be able to get back into position quickly after breaking and get hit on the sucker punch.

So where does this fit into the table then?

Tactic----------------Pld----W----D----L----F----A----Pts----Pos
532 Counter---------23----9----7----7---27---32---34-----11th
442 Normal----------23----7----4---12---25---39---25-----19th
532 Custom----------23----3----6---14---17---40---15-----23rd
433 Normal----------22----5----6---11---18---29---21-----Sacked
442 Diamond Att----21----3----6---12---19---43---15-----Sacked
451 Normal----------17----3----3---11---17---33---12-----Sacked

Surprising that the manager wasn't sacked really, since the results look worse than those of the 433 test.

Next up...

Stella's 442. Thanks to Stella for submitting. I'm gonna start it running now, but I've got to go to work soon, so I'll check the result in the morning and post ASAP...

mira · 10-19-2007, 10:14 PM

i've created a 4231 tactic i wouldnt mind being testing.

I've had good success in the one season playing with this, but i doubt v much it will work with the gills as it wasn't really designed for them. It would be interesting to see how well this works knowing it can work, but at this standard of football/players instead.

It requires 2 dmc's, an amc playmaker and target man. i've no idea what the gills squad is like but make sure the playmaker / target men are selected on the list of players along with the setpieces.

Link for this is:

http://www.fileshost.com/en/file/101...final-tac.html

So far, seems anything that avoids the sack isn't too bad lol

retired_dezipoo · 10-20-2007, 12:37 AM

i have another tactic that could well be awesome for you, currently 6 out of 6 with it only conceding once

working very well with my notts county team

retired_Fitaudrey · 10-20-2007, 01:20 AM

My first concern with your tests are that you only try one season with each tactic. Although the starting point is the same for all, other things will change within the game. For example, an AI team may buy a new very good player, and therefore decide to change their tactics. Others would sell their best players. New coaches, just before you play their team. Weather may change. Your team may have supensions, injuries, et al during critical games.
And we all know that a streak of defeats turns into a downward spiral moralwise, which would influence your team's performance. So when you play one tactic that really doesn't work well against your, say 4-5 first opponents, your guys won't be really happy to put in an extra effort against the 6th team, even though they should beat it with that tactic.
The list goes on

I would like to see you try each tactic several times, from the same save game ofcourse. That should show you a much more precise pattern for each tactic.

Just my £0.02

retired_jtingle · 10-20-2007, 08:55 AM

Stella's 442

As stella predicted, this turned out to be a fairly solid tactic.

League Matches
-Pld----W----D----L----F----A----Pts----Pos
--23----7---11---5---27---27---32-----10th

Cup Games
J.Paint - 1st Rnd
League Cup - 1st Rnd
FA Cup - 1st Rnd

Stella seems to have come up trumps with this setup. I fully expected it to be better than the standard tactics, simply because of the inclusion of both individual and team instructions and it's proved that the good old 442 can produce results, contrary to those tests based on the 442 shape from earlier.
The tactic seemed to suffer a little from not scoring enough goals, resulting in a few too many draws, but it is (so far) the best defensively and conceded the least.

Tactic----------------Pld----W----D----L----F----A----Pts----Pos
532 Counter---------23----9----7----7---27---32---34-----11th
Stella's 442-------23----7---11----5---27---27---32-----10th
442 Normal----------23----7----4---12---25---39---25-----19th
532 Custom----------23----3----6---14---17---40---15-----23rd
433 Normal----------22----5----6---11---18---29---21-----Sacked
442 Diamond Att----21----3----6---12---19---43---15-----Sacked
451 Normal----------17----3----3---11---17---33---12-----Sacked

Thanks to Stella for that one. I may well test it (and any others that seem to have promise) further some time later on.

Next up...
Thought I'd try out Timster/Mikedadude's "Enigma" tactic, since he and other players seem to be having some success with it. (Hope you don't mind Timster!

) Please see this thread for details of the tactic.

retired_jtingle · 10-20-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by 2freefly:
My first concern with your tests are that you only try one season with each tactic.

I agree completely that the tests are fallible and that multiple or extended runs with each tactic would give a better picture, but, as I'm sure you'll understand, it would take an age to do so.

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Although the starting point is the same for all, other things will change within the game. For example, an AI team may buy a new very good player, and therefore decide to change their tactics. Others would sell their best players. New coaches, just before you play their team. Weather may change. Your team may have supensions, injuries, et al during critical games.
And we all know that a streak of defeats turns into a downward spiral moralwise, which would influence your team's performance. So when you play one tactic that really doesn't work well against your, say 4-5 first opponents, your guys won't be really happy to put in an extra effort against the 6th team, even though they should beat it with that tactic.

Again, you're spot on, but this is completely out of my control. It is impossible to replicate the same situation on two separate games.

There are so many variables that it is quite possible that injuries, transfers, management appointments, etc. may be heavily influencing the outcome, but I'm hoping that I'll at least get a general feel for what works well and what doesn't. I don't really even believe that it's a good idea to use the same tactic unchanged week in and week out and/or with a variety of teams in a variety of leagues, but I'm interested nevertheless. Many people have had great success in the past with a single, unchanged tactic, so maybe I'll hit upon something for those people who want such a thing. (Or maybe not).

Also, I am quite happy to go through the test only to discover that the test method itself is flawed. I'm really doing this just to learn anything I can and satisfy my curiosity. If someone else finds it interesting too, then that's a bonus...

retired_dezipoo · 10-20-2007, 10:24 AM

i created a fair few chances with it but never really had the strikers to put them in

pleased it did ok tho

retired_brinker317 · 10-20-2007, 01:48 PM

Have a look at this; http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=407222

I'm doing very well with it at Brighton - Only just started really, but it's promising so far.

4-4-2 Diamond, with quick wingers, a very good AMC and a solid back 4/5.

retired_225pounds · 10-20-2007, 02:38 PM

Hello Betterspud

I am experimenting with a team set to global passing, I have set the team to short passing, since possession on direct passing has been woeful so far.

http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=407234

Eventually I'll try it again with ind passing instructions.

WWFans RoO tactics don't seem to work well, which was expected.

Betterspud's FM 08 Tactical Testbed - Submissions welcomed

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