retired_amaynirvana

Interesting thread, I'll have to read it back through when I'm less bleary eyed.

I've never been into running experiments in my games (lack of dedication probably), but the workings of training and the effect on player attributes is something I'd like to know more about.

I agree with the opening post that there has to be some weighting assigned to each category, hopefully dependent on player position too. A little thing that's always irked me with training, is composure falling under the shooting category - yet it is still an important attribute for defenders(and other non-forwards). The majority of the time I do not want my central defenders working on their finishing (and would be quite happy with them having a stat of 1), but obviously need to have them on a regime with some shooting training in order for them to maintain their composure. You'd hope that the game therefore gives more weight to the composure stat in shooting training for defenders, but I doubt it.

I am still yet to purchase the game, as I am waiting first for the patch to be released, but I am interested to see what the new manual has to offer. For me, the lack of explanation when it comes to the workings of the game is something which really lets it down. I've never understood why there aren't more official definitions/guidelines for certain aspects; lack of understanding leads to frustration for many people, including myself.

ddong78

I might suggest you don't increase the overall workload at all in preaseason. I leave it as is for my Panathinaikos side (playing in 3 competitions: league/CL/cup), have 4 friendlies and then am pretty happy with the condition of my players.
(but, I repeat, I haven't tested it thoroughly)

retired_kellyk

I just tried it out..i kept my overall training schedules...no preseason this time. Instead I adjust the OTL in preseason to heavy.

I lost one player to a broken leg for 5 months..but his natural fitness is 5, so that isn't exactly unexpected. The rest of the team looked ok. My only players of concern are those who were injured going into preseason.

The overall progress seems to be better thus far. I'll only know when the season is done whether my players performed any better.

Compared to last season when I actually had a preseason..two things are notable:

1. The overall improvements are higher than the same period the previous seaosn

2. Their match conditioning ie..(95%) is almost the same if not better.

retired_kellyk

Just an example. This was a player who had a preseason last season. Note the effects of his Overall training in August. Then compare it to the same month.

During the months of Jan& Feb I dropped the OTL to low notch of medium, and then raised it again in March. Preseason this year was done on heavy..its now medium. hmm...I'm beginning to like this.

I know the numbers aren't absolute, but I've been having this sneaky feeling at the back of my mind that this may actually work

retired_thedizzyangel

So what's the conclusion you're coming to Rash? That it's better to have a less intensive pre-season?

(Sorry just skimmed the thread as I'm in the middle of creating all my schedules and just stumbled across this)

retired_kellyk

Not enough time to draw a conclusion...but my feeling thus far is to toss out preseason training completely. The only thing I do now is to increase the OTL in preseason to heavy, bring it down when the season starts....it appears to be better...its just what I see.

retired_kellyk

Going to use the same player Seaborne again..he's consistent, plays almost every game.
My goal is to maintain the same training, but to increase OTL in preseason to ensure that he doesn't have a bad training month. This is his overall.

retired_kellyk

During preseason all his attributes showed an increase..between the time he started this new programme of mine..

Strength Category

1 point increase in stamina and strength in January...maintained all the way to now October.

1 point increase in workrate in september after preseason.

Aerobic - No improvement

Tactics
1 point - Positioning (Jan) maintained
1 point - Teamwork, Anticipation (Apr) maintained
1 point - Off the ball (Sep) maintained

Ball Control
1 point - Dribbling (Dec) maintained
1 point - Heading (Jan)maintained
1 point - First Touch (Apr)maintained
1 point - Flair (July) Maintained
1 point - Technique - September maintained

defending
1 point - Marking (dec) Maintained
1 point - concentration (jan) maintained
1 point - tackling (sept) maintained

Attacking =
1 point - passing (Jan) Maintained with a dip down in July up in Sept
1 point - creativity (Sept)

Shooting
1 point movement - finishing/longshots (dec) not maintained retained to old levels.
1 point - Composure (sept) maintained

Set pieces
1 point improvement in corners, crossing, freekicks, throwins
various times in year all maintained


Hmm guess I'm using this system..by the looks of it, the only concern I could have is tiredness, so far played 12 matches conditioning averaging 92%. 1 longterm injury from my new training regime...he won't be missed.

JohnSWA

I think I will follow your advice about the increased OTL in pre-season.

What I do to increase the percentage condition during the season, is a little different than you. I set the intensity for the strenght intensity to the middlest notch of the medium intensity range(like you did with aerobic).

This will lead to players gaining a 100% when there is a week between matches. If a player plays more often, the most physically demanding positions(MC`s) reaches 94-95% condition before each match.

The players physical stats influence this, but whenever I have tried to lower the intensity for strenght the conditions drops.

retired_kellyk

its not advice...i'm just observing this from my own style of training....seeing that everyone was doing preseason training I thought i'd try something different..

So far my players have played 16 matches..conditioning is between 91-93 for MCs 95 and above for the rest.

I'm playin in LL2 where i can see as many as 3 games in 10 days. Coming to december now so i will drop the OTL to mid medium.