Training - Discussion (At what point do attributes increase)

JohnSWA · 11-06-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Assenuma:
My experience is that the intensive physical training in preseason helps a lot. Physical skills improve a lot and, then during the season you just train physical training just enough to maintain the level of fitness.

The effect was great on youth players. My 18 year-old striker had pace - 9, jumping - 9 at the end of season one. in august he had pace - 11, jumping - 13. And the best thing was that the skill attributes improve substantially early in the season, so you do not need to worry about them so much.

About work load: as I get a nervous breakdown when I see a red arrow next to an attribute, I like to keep my schedules work loads on the highest notch of medium. I would give a player a rest every time I see he is tired though. It works ok, even though at some point of the season three or four key players are "in need of a rest" and I start the rotation to give them a break. The good thing is that usually there are plenty of cup games this time of the season

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After pre-season the gained/boosted increase in physical attributes doesn`t fall during the season?

How intensively do you train your players in the aerobic/strenght category during the season?

retired_kellyk · 11-07-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by faeron:
Developing players that has not reached their potential: How intensive you set the different training categories compared to eachother, is how much the player will improve proportonaly in the different categories. If you set the intensivity for all training categories at the same. The player will develope almost the same amount for all training categories.

If for example you raise the intensivity for shooting category and decrease the intensivity for defending category. The player will improve much more with shooting. Not improve that much/if at all in the training category. The rest of the training categories will improve proportonaly.

Developing players that are close to/have reached their potential If you set intensivity for all training schedules alike this will shape the player over time. Example: If a player has high value with set pieces and low values for defending. Over time he will decrease his value with the set-pieces attributes. Also he will improve his defending attributes.

If you want to keep the player as he is. You should increase the intensivity for set-pieces, and decrease the intensivity for defending

Wich attributes that improves within each training category is dependant of the players personality and the coaches attributes. How exactly this works, I don`t have the overall picture of this. The only way to find out is by doing a Lyssien. An huge experiment that maybe could produce some guidelines.

There was only one Lyssien..

One other thing..if you look through the season from start to end...you will find that preseason effects on stamina/aerobics don't stay..at least that's what i've noticed. I'm now more inclined towards having increasing the OTL in preseason and making that high..and then bring it down before the season starts.

JohnSWA · 11-07-2007, 09:10 PM

rashidi: Sounds sensible. How much do you increase the overall workload. How many clicks/notches raised from you normal workload?

It seems to get a player to reach a certain level(attribute-value) you need to train him to it and keep the same intensivity to keep him there. That is what it seems like so far.

retired_kellyk · 11-08-2007, 04:34 AM

I increase my OTL to high notch of medium and leave it there during preseason, the week of the community shield I drop it to its mid normal, and then I adjust it during the course of the season.

Agreed, it seems to me that if you have a defender who is strong at positional play then you need to keep up training at that level. Points tend to get redistributed in general training once a player reaches a certain point.

retired_kellyk · 11-08-2007, 06:36 AM

Here are some screenshots... notice preseason: he was on preseason training and that hardly did anything. So now what I've done is different, focusing on him as a defensive midfielder and tailoring the training schedule based on his attributes. I started it in September and the OTL benefits are clear and much better than anything I used to do

retired_kellyk · 11-08-2007, 06:43 AM

Hmm Hunt I bought in preseason..kennedy is a better example..he has been with the club for more than a season now..last season he was on a general training schedule, this season I created one specifically for fullbacks,look at preseason again..an intensive schedule that didn't maintain fitness levels the moment he was switched in September obvious benefits; Hunt has only played one game out of 18 whereas Kennedy is a starter:

retired_neasp · 11-09-2007, 03:10 AM

Do you guys keep players onthe same schdule all the time through the season or do youmix it up bit?

Seems like every month nothing changes so I tend to keep them on the same training for 6months.

retired_kellyk · 11-09-2007, 03:17 AM

I do sometimes switch to another training schedule if I find he needs to work on some other area of his game...but overall in most cases I hardly do that..i just manage the OTL

ddong78 · 11-09-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by rashidi1:
There was only one Lyssien..

Wow, so it is nice to be remembered

Unfortunately, I am overburdened at work, so I don't think I can offer much here at this stage in my life. I merely have the time to play a little bit.

Anyway, back on topic. About preseason training, I have a feeling, but haven't had the time to test it yet:

Heavy preseason training (and playing a lot of friendlies) gets players fit quickly, OK this far. The important thing is this: Will these players get tired quicker during the season?

I have a feeling that preseason training (and number of friendlies) affects the time that a player will reach the peak of his from during the season.

Case I:
Want your players to maintain an acceptable level of fitness with acceptable number of injuries during whole season? You gotta use a light preseason schedule (eg. the same one you are using during the season).
This is especially crucial if you are a big club that plays in a lot of competitions (CL etc). But, in this case, you should be ready for some not-so-good results at the beginning of season.

Case II:
Is your main goal to have a near-perfect first half of season?
This is the case with clubs that want to excel at the CL group stage. But it also applies to clubs that have a deep bench and can therefore rotate a lot.
In this case, heavy preseason training and a lot of friendly matches are a must. However, you are bound to need a lot of rotation throughout the season, and be ready to face more injuries as well.
Also, don't forget that more preseason games mean your team is going to be coherent sooner.

This is my feeling of how preseason works, but unfortunately, I haven't had the time to test this properly. So it's up to you now, guys!

retired_kellyk · 11-10-2007, 11:24 AM

Hey hey hey...Lyssien the wily ol fox..nice to see you posting again..i think you had a total of 2 posts last year.

Well I'm beginning to think preseason is a waste of time now..I just had my players conditions wearing out really badly in the tail end of the season last year.

What I'm going to do now is use my existing player schedules this season and just increase their OTL in preseason to heavy.

Training - Discussion (At what point do attributes increase)

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