retired_fitbeats

Although i agree with the details of tactic building, in real life there is no way that a team with these chances would be this unlucky week in week out. Stats are there to be manipulated and a team that so regualrly dominated games would have more chance of striking lucky than the opposition sneaking a goal every time.

I have ot say i have a similar problem and have now abandoned the formation for a more defensive one because i was sick of the computer being so clinical.

Whats annoying is the more attacking you play the more clinical the AI seems, wehere if you play defensive the computer seems to miss simple chances more often!! Mental!

Id like to hear from someone from SI regarding this.

retired_bpilla

Neville, I would have to agree with you that IRL a team that has 60%+ possession and 20+ chances should easily score and win most games. Unfortunately it is almost impossible to duplicate a "common sense" factor into match engines.

Check my post on the main TT board now for my anti-rant on this subject.

retired_tezzeniz

I agree there seems to be something wrong somewhere. I have seen good strikers put chances closer to the corner flag from shots less than 12 yards out far too many times, I initialy put it down to low morale (this is still broken imo) but it seems to be a wider issue.

In my current game I just can't build a good run, I can beat a team like Werder away 3-1 one week then get pumped 3-0 by Hoffenheim at home the next. Clean sheets seem impossible no matter how tight I set the team up. There is still something wrong with closing down as no matter what I set it at the opposition still seem to just walk through the middle and score and no matter what I tell my DMC to do he will run about (sometimes even down the wings) leaving a gaping hole in front of my defence! Never seen this in any other version. It feels like one click on a slider is the difference between a 1-0 win or a 3-0 loss

retired_geoag01

Just won 5-1 away to Coventry in the Cup and players headed into the next game away to Bolton with morale very good throughout.

Here are the final stats from the Bolton game.



These are the chances we created in the first half hour.















The Eduardo chances that look similar are because he got the rebound and still missed.

retired_HAdvocate

There are always reasons that tactics fall down and it is hard to make any sense when people don't have details on exactly how the tactics are implemented. It would take extensive posting and would probably be to avail because these issues usually cause caos as a lot of advice will be unhelpful. But appart from that there are "symptoms" that I recognise. When you have dominating match stats in your favor and not converting goal chances it usually is small things that one has to change. The game has it's unique way of telling you something is wrong somewhere.

First of all (according to my teories), I have the perception that when you look at your opponent pre-match, you have to determine whether or not they are going to attack you or defend against you. This will affect how I approach the game, and there is no "magical combination" when applying the sliders, but a general direction I will implement and I keep things in the same "mindset". That's why I recognise that the reason one will do well away from home against a team like Werder Bremen and then fall down home against lowly opposition, is caused by the settings you have applied when using the sliders. My guess would be that your style of play is more cautious and apply a deeper D-line.

When you come up against ulra-defensive formations with heavy time-wasting it is (almost) an art form to break them down. But this issue has been around for a while, but once the user finds out how the AI teams are playing and start's to figure out how to counter it, this becomes a whole new game. It's not "rocket-science" but a simple adjustment one can make with the sliders. But calling for the SI to come and answer these types of questions is a little like going to the emergency-ward at your local hospital asking them how you got a splinter in your finger and if there isn't a doctor on standby to take care of you exclusively.

There hasn't been that much help as of late because I'm guessing most of the "hard-core" FM gamers are busy at work and won't show there faces on this site before they are certain that they know what they are talking about so not cause a mass confusion. But there are still some ok posts on tactics floating around. I know many that have "converted" their veiw on the game once things became more clear and have learnt how to implement their idealogies. A word of advise is: have a home tactic, an away tactic, and supplement them with an all-out attack formation and an ultra-defensive formation...

retired_geoag01

Loversleaper - Believe me when i say that i hear what you are saying and i will point out once again that i will reserve judgement until after the Official Patch, but the overall problem here is to do with REALISM and the MATCH ENGINE.

Claims are made that this game is amazingly realistic and the match engine is this phenomenol thing that makes you feel just like you are a real life Football Manager, but in its current state, these claims are ridiculously untrue!.

Instead of realistic behaviour instead you are merely adhering to how the game has been coded, in which case REALISM just does'nt come into it at all, as all you are doing is trying to work around the games coding and not in fact putting together real tactics and you are watching games built on scenarios that have nothing to do with the Beautiful Game?.

Surely if thats the case then SI have lost the whole dynamic of the game along the way? and we are simply up against their very own and very naive implementation of the game, proven beyond doubt with all the incredulous scenarios we are witnessing time and time again?.

I dont mind that the game is particularly unrealsitic because of SI's naivety as to how the real game actually plays, but if this is to be the case, then surely they should be spending more time implementing a system that can at least appear more realistic, again instead of what we are seeing at the moment, which is just making the game unplayable and it IS unplayable to any football fan having to put up with the kind of frustrations game after game like i have shown above!.

retired_HAdvocate

Well looking at the games prior to this one I would have to admit that the match-machine has evolved. It's not perfect but I would definatly say that it is more advanced than the earlier versions so in some sense one could say that it is "more" realistic. Rashidi1 just posted a statement saying that many didn't know how to play as a unit (which is the main reason so many struggle). This will cause the unREALISM effect as the slider settings that are applied cause a total tactical meltdown, whereas getting them to play as a unit won't have the same side-effects.

Looking at your screen shots indicate that something might be wrong with your creative-freedom. Maybe with a combination of contradictory settings? But these are just guesses. The one thing I can say for sure is that something isn't complimenting your team and the game is trying to tell you this by punishing you (rather hard I might add)...

retired_geoag01

I posted this in the General Discussion Forum and thought it was only fitting to show here.

These stats are based on shots on target and as you can see, Derby's is by far the very worst with only 1 in 6, whilst the average runs at about 1 in 3.5, meaning my ratio of just 1 in 12 with Arsenal is just plain farcical.

You can see the type of chances we are missing in the above screenshots, so it cannot be put down to us taking every shot from the halfway line which is what this average suggests?.