retired_vsoukup

Faeron

What way do you go about it? Do you keep the striker as the player who's mentality is closest to the DL? or do you only do this for counter attacking formations?

I cant see how you could have a defensive line of 15 with strikers being the closest to it if you want to really push up, unless you raise closing down alot higher? Does that work? if a individual mentality of say 10 had closing down 17 will he close down at 17 because that would seem like he would be going a long way and pulled right out of position?? or would a DL of 16 in such a situation overide his IM?

I just keep the IM and CD the same for a player and all within 4 clicks of the DL with the DC's 4 below and FC's 4 above, MC's dead on it. It just seems more logical if you think of it as the midfield being the centre that goes up the defense follows behind, goes down the defense must come down too.

JohnSWA

I sometimes have possession up to 60%. What is important is your DMC and MC`s passing ability. They will have the ball a lot. Also your MC`s ability to make good forward runs/attacking positions is important. The DMC has hold up the ball ticked on, the main purpose is to draw the oppositon central midfielders out of position, when closing him down. He should then pass to the MC`s which now should be unmarked.

Also to pass the ball more to the flanks/wingers from the DMC i utilize players with PPM trying long passes, switching ball to the other flank etc. If these are not available you might increase the DMC passing to around 10.

Increasing the DMC passing might be a solution if the passing link to your MC`s is not working well as described above. It depends on your players. Small tweaks might be needed. Utilize your teams strengts.

JohnSWA

retired_dolly67601

This is a good thread. The theory reminds me of the old FM '05 theory we came up with about the DLine.

Where the DLine setting was used as a base, then the mentalities where a kind of offset from the DLine.

For example, if you set a defensive line of 8, and had all your defenders on a mentality of 6, then there would be an offset of -2, causing them to drop back. If you set them to a mentality of 10, this would be +2 and they would push up ever so slightly.

About time we had a proper tactical discussion again

JohnSWA

afeckingname: I cant see how you could have a defensive line of 15 with strikers being the closest to it if you want to really push up, unless you raise closing down alot higher? Does that work? if a individual mentality of say 10 had closing down 17 will he close down at 17 because that would seem like he would be going a long way and pulled right out of position?? or would a DL of 16 in such a situation overide his IM?

IM at 10 with CD for 17 could be opening up your formation. If it was for one of your fullbacks, and a winger in front of them had higher CD, I believe he would close down before the fullback. It is when he is not in position your fullback will close down. You could loose your teams shape a little. Especially if you are playing against a good team.

I also believe that DL will be the major guideline no matter what.

afeckingname:I just keep the IM and CD the same for a player and all within 4 clicks of the DL with the DC's 4 below and FC's 4 above, MC's dead on it. It just seems more logical if you think of it as the midfield being the centre that goes up the defense follows behind, goes down the defense must come down too.

This should ensure that your midfielders are starting the defending. Your attackers should also be in good position for attacking when regaining/having possession.

retired_dolly67601

The only difference being that the DLine's positional values being 1, edge of your own penalty area, and 20, the half way line. 10, somewhere in the middle of your own half

retired_vsoukup

hmmm i guess it's dependant on how risky you want to be, my way looks very conservative compared to that! lol

retired_kateois

alright afeckingname, im going to check it right now =) gonna let you know whats happening.

(gonna watch first 2 matches on full match, and start tweaking things up according to what im seeing )

retired_vsoukup

Test the counter attack against teams who play possesion football or mixed, no point against direct teams as these are in the main counter attacking teams and should be dominated high up the pitch with high CD in their half.

JohnSWA

hmmm i guess it's dependant on how risky you want to be, my way looks very conservative compared to that! lol </BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree. I don`t play with that CD setting compared to IM myself. I believe the less risk you want to take, the more you should ensure that your team keeps the formation compact and in place.