retired_kellyk

You're most welcome to most in any of my threads..a 'showdown' you say!Well I'm not much of a theoretician, I actually apply a good deal of 'real-life' common sense with management. IRL when you manage people you find out what their "attributes" are and then you identify the right 'position' for them to play in.

Every challenge you face is then a systematic breaking down of a big problem into manageable smaller chunks.

And this is basically my whole approach, identify what attributes are important, understand what a formation is meant to achieve, and then break the formation down in parts so that you make each area work as well as it can.

Its an approach both of us share, and I've noticed something already, pretty soon all of the approaches will eventually settle down in some general agreement.

Asmodeu's "Slider Apathy" approach is very applicable, as is your approach on having different tactics for every occassion. Mine is to use one formation but to apply slider changes where possible to get the best result. In essence we're all saying the same thing but getting there in different ways.

retired_kellyk

Its interesting when people want to take formations from real life and then replicate them in the game. Its not always possible to do it 100%, but we can usually achieve a good balance.

If you're looking at that formation it'd be useful if you could let me know how the 3 in midfield are supposed to work.

retired_lmccray

Its interesting when people want to take formations from real life and then replicate them in the game. Its not always possible to do it 100%, but we can usually achieve a good balance.

If you're looking at that formation it'd be useful if you could let me know how the 3 in midfield are supposed to work. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the way I see the midfield play is with 1DMC + 2MC's, where the DM plays as midfield-libero. His closing-down is 10, mentality is 8, CF = 10, FWR,RWB, Crosses = rarely but TTB is mixed. In that role I like to play someone with good first touch, passing, anticipation, decision and positioning. Currently with Barca I use Zapater, Marquez, Yaya Toure or Iniesta there. For the 2 MC's what I like to do is give them FWR and TTB often and split their mentalities - one on 11 the other on 13. CD is set on 15 for both and CF is 12. Passing for all three is on 1 though!!! On the 2D screen (extended highlights) I see some amazing combinations and then the killer ball to the front three, followed up with another combination and a goal. The 2 MC's should have good first touch, passing, creativity, decision and off the ball. Sometimes I set one of them as my playmaker but also to swap position with the other one. 90% of the time he sets up a goal right away! What do you think about all of this?
Next time I'll share my ideas for the front three.....

retired_kellyk

You'll have to try it out, it isn't the same settings as what I would like to do but its a team you're familiar with

retired_kateois

Hiya rash!

i wanna hear some advices about how to improve my game tactic and strategy.

currently playing bordeaux on ligue 1 france, i want to play a game of counterattacking football, e.g - holding the ball when playing home and then instantly when a break is possible play a killer ball, or else when playing away taking the minimal risk possible and then breaking with a killer ball.

currently i set up a 4-4-2 with short f-arrow on wingers, a mcd with a b-arrow to DMC and a mca with a f-arrow to AMC position.

DCs are set to first notch of direct, fullbacks last notch of short, strikers 3-4th notch of short, mca mixed, dmc last notch of short, wingers last notch of short.

how would you set up the CF given to players home\away, tempo and width? perhaps i should change all the passing system ?

retired_kellyk

Playing like a diamond you are...but with wingers well forward and running early...you may want to consider a defensive mentality for the defenders, last notch of normal for the fullbacks.

Direct passing from the back means the defenders will look for targets up front..so dont' play them on ultra or they will hoof the balls up.

That DM needs a normal mentality. Direct passing will get the ball forward in a hurry but you need to decide who has the best decisions and passing to pull it off. FWR often for the wingers. If the wingers have direct passing they too will look to cross early.

The centre of the pitch is a concern for me, the MCd has a lot of work to do, so teamwork between the MCa and him and the wingers is important. You may want to put the wingers on normal mentality if you find that they aren't supporting the defense enough

retired_kateois

I'm using the Theorem of RoO, means i use a high mentalities on home and low away, so its pretty balanced on each tactic, the wingers are the middle mentality.

so at home wingers should play often FWR and RWB, cross mixed ttb mixed shooting rare, right? and you say they should be playing direct passing? im looking for my MCa to play the killer balls, thats why he's given a mixed passing and a high CF. i didnt quiet get you there.
what about away matches? how should wingers be set ?

retired_chunky draws

So knowing the type of players Barca have for those positions, what would your instructions be? Higher CD for the DM than for the MC's? No FWR, RWB for DM? Personally I like to have one of the two MC's on much higher mentality in order to have him arrive late in the area, Preferably Iniesta or Deco, but Eidur fill that role perfectly...

retired_kellyk

i didnt quiet get you there.
what about away matches? how should wingers be set ? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Why make something so complicated?

Follow a simple method of playing.

First question you want to ask is:

1. Who are the players I will depend on to defend
2. Who are the players who will only attack
3. Whoa are the players I expect to do both.

Once you've decided that understand the next step..if someone is going to be attacking..what kind of player do I want him to be:

You can have a winger who likes to drop behind the defensive line and dribble all the way to the flank (FWR Often, RWB Often, Cross ball from Bye, cross mixed) Or you can have a player who picks the ball up IN FRONT of the defenders and likes to run at them..in this case FWR none, RWB often...

Or you can have a defensive kind of player who just tackles..and then plays TTB.

Ask yourself the question how you want your players to play...not me. You know your players better than me.. So if you have players you know can defend well, then you may as well have a deep- normal defensive line, low closing down, max width and your fullbacks and DCs can all be on mixed or direct passing, and all they do when they get the ball is find a killer pass...it will work if you have players set to FWR often up front.

If you have players set to FWR none, then the ball drops to them, they may run a bit and then also could look for the killer ball. Now who plays what and how you channel is important.

Understand why the instructions for individual players are set up...cos it all depends on what kind of football you want to see, you can have winger making forward runs behind the defensive line and another running at defenders..it all depends on what you want. So don't ask me, decide how you want to play an away game and then set up a tactic accordingly.

Its not difficult but once you start making rigid rules on how home and away games should be played, things get too confusing. Personally my tactics are usually all set up the same way. I divide a team into those who attack, those who defend and those who do both.

retired_kellyk

I probably would need to watch the game first in friendlies...cos this may be a very lightweight formation in midfield, you'd need the DMC to close down heavily and the 2 MCs may need to close down in own half, and yes a higher mentality could mean they support the attack, but you can also do that with normal mentality and tick fwr so that they do both attack and defend