Rick

Bobzworld

Is this the kind of thing you are looking for? If so let me know and I'll do a little tute on it for you

retired_paddza

Well... aren't we being condecending today.

Some people have more trouble with things than others. Even seemingly simple tasks can be troublesome when you first start doing them and can continue to be so until something clicks into place and you get it. Rather than being rude about it, you could actually try giving advice. You keep saying basically "try so you can learn for yourself". That's nice and all, but maybe he just can't get it and needs a push in the right direction. You said you're "giving up", but seems to me that you haven't even tried yet. If you don't want to participate, then don't, but coming around being condecending under the guise of mentoring is just plain stupid. Don't want to waste your "precious time", then don't waste ours.

I can see that you have some skill in illustration, but the larger part of "graphics community" is the "community" part.

Bob - you've been given examples of a couple techniques by other people. Using the text warp will give you a basic deformation that you can use to wrap around the shape. Just think about what you're trying to do: Make the part in the middle larger and the part on the top taper off. The trick with text deformations is to play with the settings indivitually. Try setting a "bulge" to horizontal only and play with the settings. Don't be afraid of reversing the numbers either. A "bulge" with a negative percentage becomes a "pinch". Tweak settings, you're on the right track using text deformations on editable text layers. Experiment a lot and don't give up on it. Post what gets you the closest and we can give you pointers to refine your work. It's a process, there are lots and lots of steps in making graphics turn out correctly.

Josh

Mindbender, I might sound rude, but some people really need to put a lot more effort into it than Bob does. You go ahead, chew everything for him and what does it bring him? Nothing. A while back I got annoyed when someone said "grab the manual". That's something I don't agree with. We are here to help people with Photoshop and if they have a hard time with the program, then we help. You also don?t hear me whining if people ask the same question over and over again!

I put more effort into it than you did. Only after I'm more direct than most people would be, you suddenly feel the need to reply. Give me a break. I made suggestions, I created an example and I asked him to do something with it. What's so difficult to understand about that? And what did you do this last week to help him? nothing?nada.

I don't know if you're a parent, but it's the same with kids; do everything FOR them and they'll learn nothing on their own, that's when you achieve the opposite. Educating people should be a balance of teaching people and giving them the freedom to learn things on their own. I'm not asking Bob to struggle with Photoshop, I'm asking him to look at a few images, read what others have to say and to look at my example. I want him to learn to "see". And if you would have taken the time to go through that glass ball thread, then you would have discovered that Mark was giving the same advice to several members. Those members that did take the time to ?see?, ?to try? and ?to show? learned something. That?s the way to do it and not like you holding their hand and controlling their mouse and keyboard.

Also you might want to read my earlier post in which I wrote:

"One tip: one of the tools to use is filter/distort/shear (make sure that you select the complete text and nothing but the text).

Also have a look at my letter "E"; the top horizontal line is thinner than the bottom one, ask yourself why that is and then try to do this in Photoshop too. "

That quote is in a way the solution to his problem so your comment ?That's nice and all, but maybe he just can't get it and needs a push in the right direction? makes absolutely no sense.

You wrote:
?Tweak settings, you're on the right track using text deformations on editable text layers. Experiment a lot and don't give up on it. Post what gets you the closest and we can give you pointers to refine your work. It's a process, there are lots and lots of steps in making graphics turn out correctly.?

Here you do exactly the same? giving him some directions? nothing more than I did.

Btw, the advice you gave... I repeat what Bob wrote:
"but i need the effect looking straght at it" so get rid of your warp idea
And you don't get it... he wants to know why it doesn't look right. How can you tell him how to do an effect if he doesn't even know how the end result should look in the first place?? [confused]

I?m sorry bud, but if you would have told me to be less direct, ok, but other than that you make completely no sense at all. [bustagut]

maximumfitness

Rick, thats exactly what i want [righton]


mindbender, thanks



Josh, kinda harsh with me aren't ya?
im mean you don't know me enough to assume what i've done and have'nt done.
for whats happened to me i do ok.

FYI: im, permenitly disabled (quadraphlegic) i can only push a mouse around and click it with my only movable finger. i don't excerpt to be a graphic artiist.

Rick

Bob, see if you can make this work for you :}

Rick

Here is copy of the wood texture I used just in case you need it.

maximumfitness

thanks Rick, it looks a little better, maybe a different font would help

Rick

I think you are away to the races now my friend, just keep experementing [righton]

retired_paddza

Yeah, you do.

Oh, you mean like familiarizing themselves with the forums and it's members before condeming them? I'll make a note of that, good tip.

[qupte]I put more effort into it than you did. Only after I'm more direct than most people would be, you suddenly feel the need to reply. Give me a break. I made suggestions, I created an example and I asked him to do something with it. What's so difficult to understand about that? And what did you do this last week to help him? nothing?nada. [/quote]

I happened to miss one post out of 350 and lightening didn't strike me dead? It's a miracle!!

As a matter of fact, I've raised children and I have taught design in college as well as to industry professionals, so don't dain to condecend to me about educational theory.

That's fine. It's a good skill to have, but learning to disect visual stimulae and distill it down into something that you can produce in a different medium is a skill that few people have and those that do often need a jump start when learning. There has to be a basis for comparing information to so you can filter it into something productive.

Two important differences. I told him which track to experiment with rather than just saying "look at it". And I encouraged participation in the process. "Build and refine" rather than "look and don't be stupid".

Actually, he's telling you that you didn't build the effect that he was looking for.

I have no problem with being direct. My problem was with the condecending attitude and then to follow that with not actually being much help.

That said, I've really got no vested interest in arguing with you. You can think whatever you like about me, but I guarantee that you aren't going to get along with this community if you maintain the sanctimonious and patronizing attitude. I've said it before and don't mind repeating it: The bigger part of "graphics community" is "community". It doesn't matter how much you know, or think you know, if you can't relate to others it doesn't mean anything.

maximumfitness

hows this?