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it shouldnt be mentioned here, dont want you getting the thread off topic
Apparently you weren't kidding...someone's on a power trip [stuned]
Well, you guys snuck in while I was typing and I realized I forgot to address the main question you posted about proving it... here you go... a couple sites of digital artists that build simply amazing things without the aid of 3D modeling:
Hell, you want things that look like they came out of a 3D program, take a look at our venerable host. There are tutorials on this very site that are easily as complex or more complex techniques than that which produce wonderful 3D effects. And that's not even counting the inumerable members on the forums that have posted excellent work that rivals or surpasses that.
And it is ugly. Not the 3D object which is actualy okay, but the poorly constructed and transformed background. Someone should mention that to him rather than simply stroking his ego as all the posts on deviant did. But then, that's one of the reasons I don't go to deviant often.
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and since the artist will never know... who cares
I dunno Chester, that seems pretty lame... it's okay to bad mouth someone if they won't hear about it? I'd rather hear that my work is crap to my face than find out that someone was talking about me on some forum somewhere I didn't go.
Simply saying something is "ugly" (for a posted image these boards) isn't helpful. To me, the point of commenting on someone's work is to help them make it better (or, in some cases, indeed saying it's "awesome")
If you don't like what someone's posted, please, point them to a better way. If all you have to say is "I don't like it" or something equivalent, refrain from commenting. That's neither useful or the point of comments on these boards.
Remember, there's a wide range of experience here. Please keep that in mind.
I dunno Chester, that seems pretty lame... it's okay to bad mouth someone if they won't hear about it? I'd rather hear that my work is crap to my face than find out that someone was talking about me on some forum somewhere I didn't go.
I totally disgaree. maybe im not the most tactful guy, but i would never tell you that your work is 'ugly' or to compare it with stinky old poop. sorry to disappoint you, im not THAT low.
and for your information... lots of people talk nasty about the work of others behind their back... dont start telling me that im that unique... c'mon man!
Simply saying something is "ugly" (for a posted image these boards) isn't helpful.
Off topic...
i made suggestions on kiwis images and yes, maybe i should also have said what he did well and my suggestions would have been received in a better way. i can understand that. if you all feel the urge to attack me because of that all the time...
dont give others the impression that i would just call their image 'ugly' on this board, because then youre really mixing things up. i comment on an image on an other board, the guy doesn't know me and now i should go over there and tell him why its ugly... sorry, i have one word for that... ridiculous
and for your information... lots of people talk nasty about the work of others behind their back... dont start telling me that im that unique... c'mon man!
I'm not saying you're unique, what I'm saying is that we should strive to be better than that. I wasn't singling you out because you did it, I was saying that that kind of attitude isn't good. Which I followed with my opinion about what I would prefer, agree or not is up to you.
I don't know, maybe people's egos are more fragile than mine. I'd certainly rather have someone come and tell me something to my face than to have them talk about me behind my back. I'm sure it happens, but what I'm saying is that it shouldn't.
Yes, AppleCider, I understand what you're saying. My point wasn't so much that we should go around calling stuff ugly. You should always have something helpful and constructive to say as well. My point was more that blowing sunshine up people's ass doesn't help at all, so you have to be willing to take the bad with the good and be willing as a viewer to critique something if it has a problem and not afraid of "hurting their feewings".
I'm not advocating being harsh or mean... in fact I'm advocating the opposite. That we should strive always to be helpful. If that means telling someone that they need to try again, then that's good. Yes, sometimes you don't have any suggestions and you really want to make a comment... and 90% of the time those comments are just that you like the work. Even then, though, more along the lines you're going with, you can point out what specificly you liked about it.
The point really goes back to putting in effort. If we don't want to try to help each other and put out the effort to make the community work, then we shouldn't be participating in the community, IMHO.
I really don't want this to become a shouting match.. that wasn't my intention... I was trying to move things away from that actually towards something a little more open. So take it for what it's worth and move on I guess.
I'm not advocating being harsh or mean... in fact I'm advocating the opposite.
earlier you wrote "it's okay to bad mouth someone if they won't hear about it?" which gave me the impression that it you think its fair to call someone elses work 'crap' (in person) the way you put it earlier and thats what i didnt agree with. some confusion, happens all the time on the internet.
thanks for explaining what you really meant and heres your $0,04 back
My point was only that I would rather have someone call my work crap to my face than behind my back. Like I said, I wasn't advocating that we go around just telling each other that their work is crap. But if that's what you think of my work, then by all means don't hold back out of some sense of over-propriety. I'm a big advocate of honesty. The caveot, and I fully agree with A.C. on this, is that if you think something is crap, you'd better have some reasons to back it up, and hopefully some constructive criticism to try to help with.
I wasn't saying that you should go call that guys work crap (although feel free to if you like), I was saying that it was a little lame to think it's okay just because you don't think he will see it.
You can keep the 4 cents (or 6 by now), I've got no shortage of opinions
First Chester wrote, that he thought the image in question was ugly
The he wrote ; that it didn't matter what he said because the other person would never see it.
Then he wrote; he would never call anyones work ugly.
and in his last post he implied that it was Mindbender who said these things. Boy am I confused.
For the most part on this board, and I have been here from the first day it started and even before that, as Mark had a board previous to this one, it has been my observation that the majority of the people on this site are basically hobbyists.
We certainly take what we do seriously and strive to improve but we are here because we enjoy the friendly atmosphere and camaraderie.
I agree with Mindbender that to use his term 'blowing sunshine up someones arse is not helping them to improve' but I also agree with AppleCider that if you are to post a negative comment then you also give suggestions for improvement.
We all strive to do our best and I know appreciate constructive criticisms but being just plain rude is not the way of the Photoshop Gurus Forum.
We have our fun threads were we poke a little fun at each other and in those places artistic ability is not even questioned, that is just for fun.
We have our challenges were we try to do the best we can. And we have some very talented people here on this site.
And through it all we have always tried to make it enjoyable for all and to be responsive and encouraging to those who are just starting out - if you look at the number of members we have you must agree so far it has been a very successful endeavor.
In the final analysis it is the artist who decides when a piece is finished, as throughout time the artist must please him/her self, because as Mindbender points out we will always be criticized by someone
So please people lets stop this bickering and get on with what we enjoy to do
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