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Commodore Forever!! [righton]

AraVitz

I Kid you not....

I used a commodore!! 64.. the First of my long line of Desktop computers...

Anyway.. I can't really enrich any of you with new info.. so I'll just spit out what's driftin in my mind...

First of all.. I used Mac's and PC's I prefer PC's because I can easily open them up (hardware) and fix or change what needs repairing or replacing. Second Although Windows is far from perfect and though Linux is (overall) more stable only for more advanced users I just like the thought that I
can choose myself which OS I want. As Maestro Mark said.. Win XP is the best Windows up till now.. Before XP I had a lot of crashes because I asked a lot of my pc's.. XP has brought my crashe amount down for certain.. of restricts a crash to one program making sure not the whole OS freezes...

As for Linux.. it's just cool how much you can do with it as your advancing.. OpenSource is a great thing is you ask me! Not just on itself.. but also for other OS's and software. For example Win XP has a lot of stuff inside it which was 'kind of' taken from OpenSource like Linux.. it has been assimilated and (sometimes even Mutilated) engineered so MS doesn't get there asses hoaled before some judge. Still though it enriched the MS OS. So Like Mark said.. the freedom a normal PC offers in retrospect to a Mac gives it the power to evolve in a more smooth (remember the 'slope-stairway' theory) and sometimes faster way. (as far as software is concerned)
Though I think the same goes for hardware.

I used mac's but I just can's say a great deal about them..
I didn't like them.. I felt really confined.. but that might also be a lack of experience with them...
I presume that's what Mindbender means by go with what works for you..

Well.. somehow I can't think straight today.. so this is it.. I'll try to state things more clearly next time...



AraVitz

(Ps: Stanby: When you aren't sure.. always follow your nose!!)

Bacardi

What I like a lot on macs is the fact that you can have different colors for your folders. Incredibly handy for chaos-creator like me.
What I like most on Windows is that you have to go to Start to turn the puter off. (Bill Gates' logic I suppose).
What I always have trouble with on macs is the fact that you can't double click on the desktop/workspace to open a new file in Photoshop as clicking there simply catapults the app back into the Finder.
I find it easier to switch from mac to PC and vv than to switch from PS7 to PS5 for example.

Although I use PC here at home, I do like mac's architecture as it is more my way of thinking (I HATE Office as it reminds me of administration, and Win always has this office smell...). But me too I love to assemble puters myself. Ahhh...the fun of spending hours on tomshardware, considering the pro's and cons of this mobo, etc etc... Many brands are good for the quality, and for the price.
Also, at this moment (it will change with the upcoming G5), PC has better render times for 3D.

AraVitz

One thing I want to add... is that although I am using win XP I changed the layout to Classical Windows.. I just can't help myself.. But I hate all the different colors and shit on my desktop.. I don't want things to look to smooth.. I want them to work and look logical..

as to the complaint about Shut down being on the Start button...

Start stands for Starting a Process.. and since Shutting down is a process on it's own it's pretty logical that you have to go to start first to do this!

I don't like billy.. don't get me wrong.. and I don't like Office either.. cos it's far from logical.. nor is it easy...

But I don't think everything on a mac is that much better...
And with Office there are lots of easy substitutes.. although not to commonly used.. and besides.. Anyone can make a program to replace MS Word.. if it's good enough it will find it's way to the public.. in my opion.. and if not.. Billy will see that it has some useful HINTS for him.. which will result in a better version of Office...

People still have little tail bones (what are the called in english??) we don't use em.. but they are a remnant of our the evolutionary road we walked...
Software is walking a road like that just the same.. and at some points it might not be in top shape.. but that will change.. if good people like us Keep Critizing all the shit others make!!

Laterz...

AraVitz

Bacardi

Right...tail bones...then why do men have nipples? :B

I can follow you: my desktop is completely neutral, and everything is as soft as possible for my eyes. No distraction.
On my new PC I also have XPPro now. I uninstalled all those silly games, Outlook Express, MSN, Messenger, Media Player etc etc...But I set it to silvery grey because Photoshop is so beautiful in it... (I also disabled the parallel and the serial ports in the bios as I don't use them, freeing IRQ's)
On this puter, which will be reserved for the Internet and some apps, I have Win2K. I always preferred it because of its legendary stability (I run it more than eightteen months without ever one freeze or crash that it didn't survive without even a restart) but there are some options in XPPro that are really fascinating improvements. No need to replace the ,hide to get the full list of what one can uninstall,...

Yet, I have lots of new fonts that Photoshop can't work with as they simply don't show up. And this is remarkable...

On the mac, fonts are treated more logically: system fonts are clearly separated from the ones one uses in applications.
What I like on PC is that people much more openly say what they don't like. Mac users tend to keep silent so that most PC users suppose that mac must be perfect. I was really baffled when I had the first of the mac lessons I followed, because four out of five G4's had to be restarted before even opening an app. (OS9, not OSX!). Yet, when one opens a mag like macUser, one gets a more realistic point of view. It was also not honest to ask the full price for an upgrade to Jaguar.
But there is one thing mac has that PC will never have: a romantic aura, something that touches our dreams and imagination. Just like other things like Ferrari or Harley Davidson, whisky from Islay and wine from Ch?teau P?trus, Cheval Blanc or Roman?e-Conti, or the Egyptian civilisation and Atlantis.
PC does the job, and does it usually faster and at least as good as mac, but it has no soul.
ahhh...we artists...

AraVitz

Yeah well sometimes I loose it... Let's say the tailbones were a result of such a drift....


besides that.. nicely put...

s'pose you're right...
Everybody knows Ferarri.... it's fast.. it's cool...
but not everybody knows that you can buy a subaru that easily out performs the Ferarri...

But it's not the same... even though it can go faster...

But the same goes the other way around... as long as you don't get caught up in it's mystic.. you can still be faster!!

I would choose Speed instead of feel in this case...

but in most cases people just follow there gut.. and choose differently...

Aragorn

Bacardi

Me too, because it is a tool. That's why I have a PC. I wouldn't even have upgraded it if it weren't for the 3D stuff (not including Poser as that cannot make use of anything: no HT, no dual planes, no OpenGL,...you even need a memory fix when you go over 1G of RAM...)

Did you ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintainance" by Robert Pirsig? Besides it being a very good book on Greek philosophy, it's also a book that clearly show the difference in approach by Romantics (his friends have bought a BMW motorcycle because it is very reliable and they don't have to tweak anything ever) and Classicists (Robert himself, who daily looks at every part of his motor to keep it it optimum condition, changing settings when in the mountains et etc). Yet, what unites the is the central theme of the book: Quality.

I easily see the mac/PC user differences in this. I know mac users that never ever have calibrated their monitor (it was done before I bought it. Mac users don't have to calibrate. Hahaa), and that they can't understand why a HDD ever can crash because that is typical for PC. They talk about Level3 cache without even knowing that it does a good job for data that are already calculated, but that is useless for new data. They talk about RISK processors without knowing the differences. They suppose that the extreme reliability of OSX is because it is based on Unix (many even deny that Linux also is based on Unix), and don't care about the fact that it is rather the protected memory that adds the stability, so that even if one application crashes, the system and other applications are unaffected. And that the MacIntosh, a project by Jeff Raskin, only came into being because Jobs wasn't given the leadership in the LISA project.
Apple to them is Jobs, but in fact, it was Wozniak. Jobs was, and is, a commercial genius: unpredictable and certainly someone I would compare with The Doors' Jim Morrisson. I predict that he will force Apple through many changes the upcoming years, or quit the firm, or will be fired once again, only to start some new project.

AraVitz

Well thanxz for the Tip on the Book!! I'll definitly read it!!

As to the rest... Cristal Clear.. couldn't add even half a cent!

Aragorn

(on his way to see X-men 2!!!)