AraVitz

Hello there all you Guys (and gallzzz)

I haven't been around much lately.. unfortunately my life won't allow me right now. Nevertheless I have been reading some stuff every now and then.

Right now I have a little problem.
And I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial about it somewhere.. but I just don't have time to go look for it and knowing myself I will get caught up in all the interessting stuff on the site and this forum.

So here's my problem perhaps one of you guru's can give me a hand.

I regulary need to convert all kinds of images (JPG, BMP, PSD) to EPS or PDF (for paper advertisements) but somehow I do it different sometimes.

for Example I converted a PSD (grayscale) to EPS and when I reopened it It PS asked me what scale and size and pixels/inch I wanted it to have...

Yet when I converted another PSD (CMYK and RGB) to EPS today that didn't happen. So it wasn't 'vectorized'

Does anyone know what I did wrong? or different?

Well thanxz allready!!!

Grtxz

AraVitz

The Gurch

What programme are you using to create these paper advertisments are you using Acrobat or quark,indesign etc?

the reason why i ask is i dont understand why you would want to convert them to eps,maybe this is how you like to do things but if your doing stuff for "print" then you can place any kind of jpeg or tiff file into your layout programme without needing them to be pdf or eps.

Lemme know what your doing and what programs your using and i will be able to help [righton]

AraVitz

Hmmzzz..... well... it's kinda complicated...

But well.. it's like this...

One of my friends started a Company/Shop he sells tanned skins..

Reebok, South-American Cow, Normandian Cow, Sheep and calf.

Well anyway.. I use Photoshop a lot, for fun and for the web...

Now he's putting advertisements in the papers all over..
but these papers want the advertisements delivered to them in EPS of PDF. Also when I want stuff printed on T-shirts and clothing I need to deliver it in EPS and PDF.

Me myself I make all my imaging in PS cos I just love it..
And the advertisements are originally WORD files from my friend I then screen capture what he makes in WORD (it's his design not mine) and put in in a PSD. Then I need to convert it to EPS or PDF (vectors) because that's what they want at the Paper.

(I know Quark I used it once for a book, I never use Acrobat except for a reader though.)

Well.. Still hope someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong in PS cos I really wanna know.. besides that if you (Gurch) think there are better ways to handle my stuff please do tell!!

Thanxz again!!

Aragorn

ps: I put the files I'm working with on the net...

http://crew.difine.nl/PhotoshopGurus/

the one looierij copy.eps is the way I want it done.. I dunno how I got that one right...

the other one is the one I want converted correctly.. it's eps allready.. but it is not 'vectorized'

The Gurch

im really confused about what you mean as "vectorised" if your using photoshop then your images will be rasterized.I think this is the case of right tool 4 the job and if your sending things to a paper firm i.e 4 colour print process using litho plates then yeah they will want it as PDF or eps.

And for this you will need a vector based program like illustrator to get the "vectorised" thing that you are talking about.
Adobe illstrator is great for page layout like you are using and has 2 export options...PDF.......and EPS [righton]

and if there are images that you have done in ps and want on yoru designs you can place them into your illustrator file.
Photoshop really isnt the right app to b using if you wanna do this easily,id be using illustrator but then i dunno your situation (financial) and whether you can obtain it soon.

other than that i really dunno about achieving what you want in PS cuz well TBH i wouldnt be using it to start with so i wouldnt know(if that makes sense)

sorry if this isnt what you wanted to hear and good luck with it all [righton]

AraVitz

Well I'm very thankful to start with just because you put time into my problem... even though we haven't solved it... yet..!

What you're saying about illustrator is right..
and getting illustrator is no problem for me...
Actually I think I got it somewhere on cd...

What I mean with Vectorized is that I save a image as en EPS or PDF with PS and then when I want to re-open it in PS (or another Program) it will ask me for Size and pix/inch. So that every time I open the file I can resize/shape it and change the pix/inch without loss of detail.

Just like when a picture is saved with illustrator..
I want to be able to change it's shape in PS without losing detail.

I Know it is possible.. because I did it before... problem is I did that by accident.. and I just can't figure out how I did it!

I know I can use Illustrator just as easily.. but now I know it Can be done.. it's like an obsession.. I just need to know How it's done!!

Knowledge is power!!.. hahaha..

may the force be with you!!

Aragorn

ps: if anyone else reads this and has ANY idea What the PEEP *#*($() PEEP I'm talking about PLZZZ reply!! Post your brainwave! (or brainfart, cos even those are highly valued!!)

laterz..

Blinky2004

Hi AraVitz, welcome back. (even if you had to "sneak" back in) [shhh] [bustagut]

Go with just PDF files. A lot of printers nowadays are asking for and can work with them. PDFs use 32bit gradients so colour is not a problem. And the type can be saved as either Vector or embedded. That's cool too.

I'd stear clear of EPS if it's possible. There's just more to do with them and incompatibilities can arise. With PDFs, there's no worrying about that.

BTW... PDF files are not "vector". Only the type "can" be converted to vector, but it's not a manditory setting.

Good thing too PS can save as PDF now too.
Any problems doing that AraVitz?

AraVitz

Joh Maestro!!

Thanxz a lot...
At least I now have a better understanding of PDF and EPS and vector stuff...

Though my question is still not answered...

so perhaps something is wrong with my question...


Perhaps someone can explain me this...

http://crew.difine.nl/PhotoshopGurus/

the photos at that url... if you open them one of them askes you to give put in the size and pix/inch of the file... so basically every time you open it you can determine it's size anew...

but the other one, also EPS.. doesn't ask for these parameters and is always the same size and pix/inch..

what is the difference? why does one ask for it and the other doesn't..

Laterz!!

Aragorn

ladyfinger007

Gooie dag, Aravitz!

There is some confusion going on there...
First, there is EPS and EPS... most EPS that you find in the clip art collections are indeed vector files...

But the EPS's that Photoshop produces are raster, encapsulated into Postscript... (that's what EPS means) IF the contents is raster, it won't be automatically rasterized.

Usually, the print companies embed the Tiffs and EPS in Quark, and they prefer these formats because you can insert a Clipping Path in the file. It is, in other words, a Vector Mask.

So, once again, the EPS you can make in Photoshop are not vector ones, if the content is not a vector...

I wrote a tutorial in the current issue of Computer Arts (83) about techniques to vectorize pictures in Photoshop...

The result won't obviously have the subtle gradations that raster drawings have, but it can transform a Photo, or even logos into vectors (Even when saved as Photoshop EPS, if you check the "include vector data") The next time you will open that file, it will ask you the resolution.

To summarize, the key would be for you to recreate the designs as vectors in Photoshop, don't forget to check out the "Include Vector Data", and you've got a file that will need to be rastertized at the next opening.

The PDF produced by Photoshop will keep the vectors (not only the text, Mark )but do "remember" the resolution they were created at. (So the rasterizing is not the indication that a file containts vector data.)

AraVitz

Hey there Pierre,

Thanks for all the extremely useful info.. Seems I just didn't really know what rasters and vectors were all about.. seem goes for EPS it seems...

You're tutorial is in computer art right..
can I read it anywhere else by any chance?? I'd like to check it out...

by the way.. spreek jij nog meer nederlands dan alleen goeie dag??

hehehe...

well I'm off to try and check out some of Pierre's advice.

Seeya all laterz...

Aragorn

Blinky2004

Aaa really? Ok cool thx Pierre, i didn't know that. [righton]