adobe

Well i agree with the interest in pushing off bumping and shitty comments out of the SA ship,but it's almost impossible to motivate people to comment more constructively with a sticky thread,that may be 20% of the 3000+ members will read.There has to be a different way to motivate the people to comment,but there are a lot of reasons that make this a far distant goal to pursue.

First of all,people don't really have the time to comment on every piece on the site.As Don said the members are far more than the GA's.If we present it as numbers,the members are 3000+,the GA's are 30- ..roughly that makes one Graphic Artist to comment on 100 people's work.That sounds rather uncool.And if we take the Crew as the far more experienced artists,and the majority here are just starting with graphics.And a creative comment would be really hard in my opinion.IF you comment on a piece of less experienced user,you give an advice such as: "You have to fix the text,the render needs brightening,and the background should have more details" etc.Well that's not a constructive comment.The number of the letters in one post doesn't make the quality of it bigger.As said million times,quality > quantity.And so,if we have to give a constructive comment we have to tell every technique so the less experienced user can 'construct' his signature/wall with bigger efficacy.Well,that's rather impossible: 3000+ > 30- ; 1/100.If you get what i mean.

Second.Many people here like to get it with no effort from themselves.An example,i posted my Italy2006 wall .psd,and 2 days after that a thread "Help me" appears."How can i do the lighting technique".It's obvious that the user has to click some of the layers in the PSD,so he could find out the essention of the lighting.Well,nobody cares.This user apperantly will get everything without any effort.First-i gave my .psd,so i can help a bit to the members to progress.But a question about how to do 2 layers in the .psd,that makes things a bit different.In my egoistic point of view - what's in it for me?I gave my .psd,with things i made myself or INSPIRED by others(reffering to Ste),so the others can progress,without doing anything!And if some of this people,which use my wall as a technique bumper gets famous and starts a job with a lotta money in it and getting personal points,is he going to thank me in some way.Will he remember what i did for him years ago?Well i think the answer is obvious.So,my point is..The most experienced users here learned most of the techniques,some looked from tutorials,others experimented.So,everyone should look to the tutorials or experiment.Because if you give a constructive comment to a less experienced user,you just give him your point of you,on which he can base his own piece,absolutely useless,he doesn't get anything,the only thing he gets is the better sig,and the knowledge of the methods are gone in no time.So,experimentation/tutorials is the best thing to do.If you tell a less experienced user your technique for lighting,brushing,etc. he practises it until he gets bored of it,so he gets 1point(let's take it as points) of knowledge,but he has to EXPERIMENT(like messing with different blending options,colours,etc.),so he could get 2+ points of knowledge.

Constructive comment success : 0%

In the start it's hard,i know from experience,well SA won't change,no one helped me then,no one will help now.If we want to be helpful,yeah,there are some individuals,which like to comment,but,3000+ > 30-.
So,my point,Emma,is,that if you make sticky threads all over the site,every section,every thread,every place on the site,if you even make it as a header,or the page background that won't help a bit.

Sorry,i know it sounds too cruel,and so egoistic,but it's the truth,at least i see it that way. +Many people on this site share my opinion,i am sure.
And ofcourse,it's summer!I would prefer to go out,have fun on the beach,ride my bike on the mountain,hang out with friends,and go out and have great time with my girfriend,rather than sitting on the computer and making my eyes hurt.
So,less experienced users,"don't you cry,tonight"(Guns 'N Roses - Don't Cry...Classic!)..So,i hope you get my point.

Quality > Quantity.

bill164

Now that is constructive criticism at it's best. Awesome post, Wnnrssn.

I agree with you. If you want to get everybody's attention then do a proper announcement. That's what I do to promote stuff on other forums. I'm not sure if you can do it on a vBulletin forum but on others you can set up an announcement so that it's shown in every forum on the board. Then more people can see the problem.

But a solution? Perhaps some sort of reward for members who GA's and admin recognise as a quality poster. They could maybe get to view SA without ads or maybe if they're really, really good get promoted to be a moderator so they can specialize in posting quality comments on people's work. Yes, there is still the problem of topics > online members but it's the carrot on the stick. There's bound to be a few members tempted.

It's a team game a forum. Like you've said, the members make this forum, not just a few GA's. Lets get this crew up to shape. Rewards, promotions. Whatever, but if there's no personal gain for the people involved then many won't bother with this suggestion.

Now if anybody comments on my future work, be sure I'll comment on yours. Deal.

adobe

Thanks,Dtunam.

Well i don't think promoting members to moderators,and specializing them in commenting is a good idea.This site is about graphics,the team has the best artists in it,and i don't think promoting members is a good solution,because they are still not so experienced and the techniques and things they know aren't so various.The border between quantity and quality artist will be diluted that way.So experimenting is the best solution.

And as i said,one announcement won't change the things they are,and i showed my point with the above post.This sticky thread won't change ppl's character and thinking.Some people want to help and comment,others don't.

And i explained what a 'constructive comment' means from my point of view,so here comes the point of the promoting.People,which aren't well experienced couldn't possibly give a constructive critism.And if we start promoting people,only the quantity of posts and letters in one post will rise.
People will start thinking that if they write a 2page post they will be promoted for good commenting.
So,experimenting is the best method for the members too improve.In every way,Horia,Don,Lenny,Roan,Jarle,Keith,Hursty,Declan ,Haas,Pabs,Ash,Emma,Davy,me and the other graphic artists,we need to improve..but for example if i post a wallpaper,and jarle says : "fix the render,add blurring,it's too bright,add something to the background",he doesn't help me improve,and as i said,the only way to improve is to experiment,everyone one of us has a diff technique that makes us unique,i mean every artist on this site,so we need to keep the secret for ourselves.So we couldn't possibly give a constructive comment.Most of us make our style unique,only by ourselves,our liking of stylish,grunge,messy or shiny piece.Every one is experimenting to have a great detail,to put the text on the right,on the left,so there's a good construction,experimenting with colour,should it be orange or red,should the render be smudged and sharpened or clean and blurred.We experiment so we can get a style WE LIKE,and we could improve only by using our knowledge for further improvement.Every artist has different taste,so he has to arrange the things by it,the things HE likes,not the things the better artist likes.

I hope u get my point,man,cus i get too much in details and my posts are getting a bit complicated.

chica1985

I was only doing what Horia told me. Geez.

And it is a problem, if not - there wouldnt have been a Thread about it in the Mod Forum would there? Something had to be done, to an extent.

adobe

I was just giving my own opinion,i don't critisize anyone's actions.

chica1985

I know and im not, I respect your opinion and I do agree with it to an extent. In the ideal World i'd want every member on here to be freelanced in thier styles and ideas but that wont happen. Not everyone is gonna experiment and obtain inspiration, you are always always gonna get n00bs who will cut corners to be good. And with that includes copying styles and manipulating PSDs theyve downloaded from other people. GA's are recruited cause of thier unique-ness and different styles of art compared to many people, and did things the difficult and more earnable way. There are some people (unfortunatly) that will 'cheat' and copy styles, I am against the whole copying style thing hence I dont upload PSD's as (to me) it's inviting people to copy my style. I believe people should be thier own artist, altho people will copy as it'll make them look good with a shit reputation.

It's the nature of most Graphic Forums for some n00bs to be like that, and we can't eradicate that (to an extent)
This isnt a bitch, my 2 pence on the matter.

Dynamic

Totally agree, you have to be unique to be good, and these days it is getting harder and harder to be unique, hence alot of people copying other people. I guess there is nothing that can be done to completely remove the problem, but if some people that are on this site every day, posts to a significant amount of threads, then it will be a better place with better artists.

I also don't give out psd's of my work, ive already had a couple of people ask me from here, SD, and on MSN. I think doing that pretty much lets them change a couple of things and make it look like they have done it all by themselves, and I would hate for that to happen, especially if an artist spent a while experimenting to get the style and then someone starts doing it all the time without asking permission.


I also agree with Wnnrssn's post. You can only get better with experimenting. I think, coming from him/her, who has one of the most original style of graphics here, that is the only way to get better.

(Sorry if i'm just repeating what other people have already said, i'm just voicing my opinion on things, whether its valued or not)

SKT174

I agree with the experimenting thing, You can learn quite some valuble things and not only by using the filters Photoshop comes with but with other options as well.

Niran

Think people have forgotten about this again. From now on, if i see someone continuously posting 'good' 'nice' 'agree^'

Their post count will be reset to 0.

Feel free to report anyone doing this..via PM to me.

B.N.F.

does it count if i say i agree with "nick" and tell some things you think about the graphic ?