sPECtre ... thank you, thank you, thank you ... that helps heaps (I was tackling it the wrong way for my limited abilities) ... and I thank
Gaussian in absentia (or where ever he is

) .... I thank
kiwi for his help as well as a big thank you to
sfm for her offer of the pic of the Pelican feather but I needed a 'generic' feather (is 'generic' the right word?? [confused]) as the feathers origin couldn't suggest niceness, strength or any other good attributes [sly] [shhh]
... and
Wendy (wbiss) said.....
... hmmn, dementia setting in
Wendy?? [bustagut] [bustagut] ... thanks about the avatar, it was time for a change so I just played with warped text for 10 minutes then put it all through Image Ready